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Wednesday, August 31, 2005


Blame W

Here's a snippet from Cindy Sheehan's farewell post from Crawford: [HT: Hugh]

Well, George and I are leaving Crawford today. George is finished playing golf and telling his fables in San Diego , so he will be heading to Louisiana to see the devastation that his environmental policies and his killing policies have caused. Recovery would be easier and much quicker if almost ½ of the three states involved National Guard were not in Iraq. All of the National Guard's equipment is in Iraq also. Plus, with the 2 billion dollars a week that the private contractors are siphoning from our treasury, how are we going to pay for helping our own citizens in Louisiana , Mississippi, and Alabama? And, should I dare say "global warming?" and be branded as a "conspiracy theorist" on top of everything else the reich-wingers say about me.

So W is now to blame for Katrina. You know the song "Blame Canada" from the South Park movie? Based on the liberal penchant to blame everything on the Bush administration, I offer this rendition in its stead:

Blame W

Times have changed,
our hurricanes are getting worse
They're causing floods in 'Orleans,
it's a natural disaster curse.
Should we blame intense low pressure,
or blame water vapor, or should we blame old mother nature?
No! Blame W! Blame W!
With his beady little eyes, his flapping head so full of lies
Blame W! Blame W!
We need to form a full assault, it's W's fault!
I'd really like to splice his spleen
Cuz he won't meet with Cindy, Viggo and Martin Sheen!
Even though he met with her once
and she really liked him then,
but now Cindy really hates him, so why won't he see her again?
Well, Blame W! Blame W!
It seems that everything's gone wrong since W came along
Blame W! Blame W!
He's not even legitimately elected anyway.
My son could of been a doctor or a lawyer, it's a fact,
Instead he was killed by terrorists in Iraq!
Should we blame Bin Laden? Should we blame Zarqawi,
or the jihadist, fascist, murdering scum who killed him?
Heck no! Blame W! Blame W!
With all his neocon hullabaloo and that bitch Condi Rice too.
Blame W! Shame on W!
We must blame them and cause a fuss
They're even to blame for global warming and stuff!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree - that hurricane was down to god

August 31, 2005 1:00 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Intelligent posts of all persuasions are welcome here.
Commercial exploitation is not.
Please respect our humble work.

August 31, 2005 1:52 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

SD, don't ask 'em not to advertise. Call up Scotty and have those ads zapped by photon torpedoes!

I don't know the song you parodied, but your version is funny anyway.

August 31, 2005 2:38 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Ah...CIV...a voice of comfort from an insane deluge of commentors which are the result of a Stewdog post being recently linked by Hugh Hewitt.

Whenever we get linked by a heavy hitter in the blogosphere, the nut jobs show up.

I'm not speaking of you, Sirc Valence and Bairude. Your comments are most welcome and we hope you stop by Rumpus now and then. I was referring to some smut peddling by others whom Scotty has "zapped by photon torpedos" as CIV so aptly put it.

August 31, 2005 4:58 PM  

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Uh oh

Don't look now but Maureen Dowd is not giddy at the thought of Hillary for president.

This is a sign that Hillary's move to the center is working. Let's hope Ms. Dowd and the other far left minions of the Democrat party can yank her back into the Howard Dean, Cindy Sheehan, Hollywood nut wing of the party where she belongs. Otherwise, Hillary may be on to something.

While I really dislike Ms. Rodham Clinton for her pathology, I've never said she wasn't smart. She's not deluded into thinking that America isn't really supportive of the war on terror. She knows full well that the Maureen Dowds of the world and their "hate all things America and Bush" tripe might get her a martini glass clink at an upper East Side cocktail party but it won't get her the White House.

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The C Word

As in Erwin Chemerinsky, who thinks that the Charming Champ Roberts is "too Conservative" and should be actively opposed. Thanks Erwin. You are my litmus test. You say oppose, I say confirm. How can anyone that bright be consistently wrong?

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

When I was studying for the bar, I attended a Chemerinsky Con Law lecture that was absolutely brilliant. The guy gave a 4 hour treatise without the aid of a podium or a single piece of paper. When it comes to the law, the guy is absolutely brilliant, but when he talks politics his brain seems to malfunction.

Chemerinsky talking politics is like Michael Jordan playing baseball. It's just not his gig.

August 31, 2005 9:21 AM  

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God Bless Them

The news coming out of the South is just horrible. We all pray for those poor souls in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. But this is the US of A and Humpty will be put back together again.
Funny, but I haven't yet heard reports of massive aid coming from France, Germany, Russia, and the Arab world.

Update: If you live in the L.A. area, the Red Cross has organized a fundraiser event at two locations today for the victims of Katrina -- Dodger Stadium and The Pond of Anaheim.

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For no particular reason...

Here are my top five literary references to the sea -- just off the top of my head:

1) The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.

2) ... softly falling into the dark mutinous Shannon waves.

3) But now I only hear its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar

4) ...Or like Stout Cortez, when with eagle eyes
He stared at the Pacific -- and all his men
Looked at each other with a wild surmise --
Silent, upon a peak in Darien

(for the Keats geeks, yes I know it was really Balboa)


5) I must go down to the sea again, the lonely sea and sky: and all I ask is a tall ship and a star to sail her by.

Other suggestions? Comments? Criticisms? Annoyances with this post?

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Blogger stewdog said...

I'm annoyed by everything you post. But how you can discuss the Sea without quoting from "The Owl And The Pussycat? An investigation is warranted.

August 31, 2005 7:34 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Great one, DA. Doh! How'd I miss it?

September 01, 2005 11:32 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

How about "By The Sea" from Sweeney Todd?

September 01, 2005 3:15 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

". . . and falling softly, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead." Ahhh, one of the most beautiful stories in the English language.

And that was a great one, Daryl Ann.

September 01, 2005 11:03 PM  

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Tuesday, August 30, 2005


Robert Sheer sneers at Democracy

Robert Sheer at the LA Times is having a hissy fit. Why? Is it because islamo-fascists have blown up more children? Nope. Is it because terrorists have lopped off the head of another westerner? Nope. Is it because religious fanatics in Iraq are murdering people by the hundreds? Nope.

So...Why the hissy fit? Well..Iraq has taken a step closer to Democracy by completing it's constitutional charter, that's why.

Is it just me or does it seem like Robert Sheer is rooting for Democracy to fail in Iraq? Why else would one meet the news of the completion of an historic Democratic constitution in the heart of the Arab world with such sneering pessimism?

Could it be that he'd rather see Dubya fail than freedom prevail?

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Blogger stewdog said...

He should just change his name to "Sneer". I can't read him anymore. He is a dinosaur of the 60's. There is no balance or objectivity to his rants.

August 30, 2005 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheer is the main reason I discontinued my L.A. Times subscription in 2002. I do have fun with the callers offering great deals to re-subscribe. I ask if Sheer or that perpetual victim Banks is still writing (and I use the term loosely) for the Times. They have no idea so I tell them to get back to me with that info and we'll discuss it. Still waiting for the call back.

- Dirtbiker for W

p.s. - does wonders for the blood pressure.

August 30, 2005 1:50 PM  
Blogger Scotty said...

Dirtbiker, maybe you can persuade Wonderdog to cancel our subscription to the Times. Frankly, I can't believe he still pays for it. He keeps claiming that, "I like to read the sport's page." Yeah, yeah.

I wonder what he's really doing with it? I keep finding it in the bathroom after he leaves for work...

I suppose that's the proper place for the Times, anyway.

August 30, 2005 4:38 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Wonderdog? A closet Liberal? Has he gone the Leonard Tose Route? Who goofed? I've GOT to know.

August 30, 2005 5:13 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Thank you, Scotty for driving away Rumpus readers with a play by play of Wonderdog's scatological habits.

I will add, however, that a newspaper in the bathroom is a grown man's rite of passage.

And yes I get the Times for their Sports section -- though, I must admit it isn't much of a Sports section anymore. It used to be excellent with the likes of Jim Murray, Mike Downey and even Scott Ostler. But where else am I gonna get my sports fix?

August 30, 2005 11:01 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

A conservative not reading the Times is like a WWII intelligence officer refusing to intercept Japanese and German communiations.

August 31, 2005 7:36 AM  

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New Media v. The Extinction Bound MSM

Hugh Hewitt recently gave an interview to Tim Rutten of the LA Times, with the proviso that it would be broadcast. Per Rutten's condition, it was delayed. Radio Blogger has the transcript. A long read but well worth it. It was background for this columm by Mr. Rutten. The thrust of Rutten's article was the decline and fall of conservative talk. But the interview showed that you would want the ever sharp Hewitt to cross examine any of your accusers. Rutten comes across as simply not understanding that if the Times continues to swing far left, it will doom itself. Balance is simply good business sense.

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Good business sense? But that's capitalism, you (I'm about to coin a new term here) CEOist!

August 30, 2005 2:50 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

They are owned by Tribune, a corporation, and one would assume that the company's goal is to enrich the shareholders. But as I read the Times and look at the numbers (as quoted by Hewitt in that interview) they certainly aren't acting like it.

August 30, 2005 2:55 PM  

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Dateline Paris

PARIS, France

Lance Armstrong's record setting seventh Tour de France victory, along with his entire Tour de France legacy, may be tarnished by what could turn out to be one of the greatest sports scandals of all time.

Armstrong is being quizzed by French police after three banned substances were found in his southern France hotel room while on vacation after winning the 2005 Tour de France.
The three substances found were toothpaste, deodorant, and soap which have been banned by French authorities for over 75 years.

Armstrong's girlfriend, American rocker Sheryl Crowe, is quoted as saying "We use them every day in America, so we naturally thought they'd be okay throughout Europe."

Along with these three banned substances, French authorities also physically searched Armstrong and found several other interesting items that they had never seen before, including a backbone and a pair of large testicles.

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Monday, August 29, 2005


Impeach Bush?

I think that the existence of Pat Buchannan is the best argument against "intelligent design".

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

I used to like Pat Buchanan back in the early days of "Crossfire" on CNN. I even got a little excited about his blip of momentum in his run for the Republican Nomination against Bob Dole. But, sad to say, the man has shown himself over the years to be dangerously nationalistic and perhaps an anti-Semite.

He gives Catholics a bad name.

August 30, 2005 8:19 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Pat seems clear and right on some issues and then just completely off in left field on others. He seems to hate Israel and is an isolationist. He's good for being a gadfly on talk shows, but really can't be taken seriously anymore.
Compare his rants to the clarity of Hugh Hewitt. The former alienates, the latter converts.

August 30, 2005 9:58 AM  

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Curse in class?

F- - - YEAH.
We now know that Team America was educated in England.

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Mid-Morning Report

So Cindy finally got to meet the President, huh? Although...she already has met the real president once before but she's entitled to at least *two* meetings with him, dammit! So could he please just go down there and meet with her and Charlie...er...Martin Sheen?! Please? Sheesh.

Let's keep our thoughts and prayers with the people in the Louisiana and Mississippi areas.

So Iraq has finished the charter of its new Constitution, and this is all the media has to say about it? Gimme a break with the Sunnis. The fact that they are upset about the finished document is a testament to its merits. Let's tune in and hear what these Sunni protesters are saying and doing:

"We sacrifice our souls and blood for you, Saddam,'' chanted the demonstrators. They carried pictures of Shiite clerics Muqtada Al-Sadir and Jawad Al-Khalisi who have joined the Sunnis in opposing the constitutional draft."

Gee. I wonder why the Shiites and Kurds are blowing these guys off? I'm sure Madison, Franklin and Hamilton would have welcomed input from the guys that were carrying "Long Live King George" signs, don't you?

And finally...I'm really depressed that I had to miss the MTV Awards, dang it. Here were some of the highlights I missed:

-- Ludacris managed to turn his hedonistic "Pimpin' All Over the World" into a multicultural Mardi Gras-like extravaganza, complete with steel drummers, African dancers and, of course, around-the-way booty-shaking girls.

This is why I'm such a big proponent of "multiculturalism". If the world could only just learn to pimp together, it would be a beautiful place.

-- When it comes to booty shaking, Luke of 2 Live Crew fame is the king with his infamous dancers, and he brought a bevy of women, a dance with Diddy and R&B heartthrob Omarion.

When I've had those visions of becoming world famous and dubbed the "King of ____", oddly I've never imagined the blank to be filled by "booty shaking". I bow to you, Luke of 2 Live Crew -- ye of the Jouncing Haunches.

-- The evening's most inexplicable moment may have come from R. Kelly, who remains a chart-topper even though he's awaiting trial on child pornography charges. On a bedroom set that looked like a scene from a Tyler Perry play, Kelly deliberately lip-synced highlights of his five-part soap opera infidelity song, "Trapped In The Closet," then debuted a new chapter involving a cheating wife, a cheating husband and his boyfriend.

Nice.

-- Some of the night's more decadent moments came during the pre-show arrivals. Lil Jon came by sea, on what looked to be a three-story, pimp-my-yacht contraption. The prison-bound Lil' Kim arrived on the white carpet in a Rolls Royce Phantom, though she looked somewhat demure in her low-cut mauve dress _ no pasties or dangling appendages this year from the diminutive rapper.

"Pimp-my-yacht contraption"...I love the way the word "pimp" can be used to make anything cool in the hip-hop culture. Maybe I'll try it. Yo, man -- what do you think of these pimped-out Dockers?

"The prison-bound Lil' Kim"...Are we really gonna miss Ella Fitzgerald when we have this type of talent among us?

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Sunday, August 28, 2005


Good v. Evil

If you doubt evil's existence, how do YOU explain the three game sweep of the ANGELS by the DEVIL Rays???

Or am I confused, since they are only the Devil Rays and not the Satan Rays?

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

To quote Sir Charles -- "Bad team, man...Bad f*cking team..."

August 29, 2005 8:30 AM  

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Campus PC

The LA Times editorial page suprisingly has a discussion on Campus PC.
Somehow I missed (or forgot) the story of Jared Sakren, a Shakespeare Professor at Arizona State. The university had to settle with him in a battle over curriculum. From what I read, some feminist whack job was running the show like her private fiefdom. Damned Sexist Euro American Male. . trying to teach Shakespaere in the traditional way. Lots of good commentaries to be found on this all over the net.

Read this excellent article about Campus PC in California.

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Another movie recommendation

Yesterday, after a game of golf, my buddy popped in Kung Fu Hustle. I rolled my eyes and braced myself for a long two hours of Naked Gun type parody of Kung Fu films -- of which type I thought this movie was.

Was I ever wrong.

Wow. What an impressive film. I was caught completely unaware. Not only was this not a silly slapstick slugfest but it was a beautiful film in many ways.

How to describe it? I would say it's a cross between Crouching Tiger and Moulin Rouge. It's a very intriguing and original film with great special effects, hypnotic action/music sequences, a thoughtful script, some humor, strong violence, and some sweet romance. I recommend it highly.

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Blogger stewdog said...

You say Kung Fu Hustle.
I say The Curley Shuffle.

August 28, 2005 11:09 AM  

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Saturday, August 27, 2005


Movie For Dirtbiker

Saw Eight Legged Freaks on HBO. Good sense of horror humor, dirtbikers, and giant spiders. There's your romance, Kate Marie.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check Netflix for it as I refuse, absolutely refuse, to subscribe to "premium" cable channels when Outdoor Life Network, Fuel TV and Turner Classic Movies are part of the basic package. These channels, along with HGTV, provide all of the television viewing entertainment I require.

And if it's off-road adventure you're looking for, I highly recommend Dust to Glory, a documentary about the Baja 1000 focusing on several participants who drive or ride dunebuggies, trucks, Volkswagons, motorcycles, etc.. across 1000 miles of Baja desert in 36 hours.

- Dirtbiker for W

August 30, 2005 2:13 PM  

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Friday, August 26, 2005


St. Sindee Speaks (Again)

The Huff and Puffington blog yesterday posted this lovely ditty from Our Lady Of Crawford. I wonder which of her PR handlers actually wrote it. Take a minute and scan through the comments. I find some of them very good (OK you guessed it, the ones who oppose her). But it is fun to see that anyone who writes anyting negative about here is a "hate-mongerer", or (god forbid) "A Republican" who is a "hater" making "dumb right wing posts".

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The Cindy Brand Name

Marketing, promotion, professional handlers. . . read all about it.

And. . if you ever needed a reason to switch to Hagen Daaz:

Organizers are set up in a house trailer. Their meetings closed to reporters.
Leading the group is Fenton Communications employee, Michele Mulkey, based in San Francisco. Fenton specializes in public relations for liberal non-profits.
Their bills are being paid for by True Majority, a non-profit set up by Ben Cohen -- of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream fame.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

I knew there was a reason I never eat Ben & Jerry's.

August 26, 2005 6:38 PM  

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Matt Leinart

I admired the USC quarterback and his decision to return to College to graduate, rather than turn pro. But this revelation makes me rethink. The fifth year player is taking one course to graduate . . . .ballroom dancing.

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And for a bit of an escape

Check out Jeff's wonderful post at Quid as he waxes poetic about a slight hint of fall in the air and a morning of possibilities.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Meanwhile, out in LA:

Even worse than the last couple of months, the morning is already hot. A back-to-school breeze is no where to be seen, and it sends you up the wall, knowing what your a/c bills are going to be. You've made this walk a thousand times, you've seen those crappy old cars and heard the "thump thump thump" of yet another idiot with a too loud stereo. But you know that soon Football season will start, and with it the rainy season, with buckets under the roof leaks, and wet shoes in the hallway.

August 26, 2005 1:55 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I will gladly light a candle for you the next time I'm at the cathedral. ;)

August 26, 2005 5:46 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Methinks that Jeff is (a) not a parent of a school age child and (b) not a car commuter. On this side of the river, we're dreading those early morning alarms; the mad dash to the bus stop; the commuters running stop signs, annoyed at all those buses clogging up the roads; the angry noncommuters, annoyed that all the commuters are back from vacation; the endless months of homework jail; the paperwork; the PTA and booster solicitations; et al.

No, all in all, I'd rather it stay summer just a while longer thanks.

August 26, 2005 6:51 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Its pushing 90 at 11 am this morning. Give me the California winter, deluge and all.
And my homework days are over. Big girl graduated college and the baby starts next month.
Life begins when the kids move out and the dog dies.. . I'm almost there.

August 27, 2005 11:22 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

You can "help" the dog along.

August 29, 2005 6:36 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

He doesn't need help. Little Boo Boo had to be put down last year after 14 and 1/2 wonderful years. Gone but not forgotten.

August 29, 2005 12:18 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Just kidding about the dog, SD. I may not like dogs much, but I don't hate 'em. Just grew up with cats.

August 31, 2005 6:14 AM  

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The strange bedfellows of the anti-war movement

VDH takes a look at the anti-war venom (and anti-Semitism) of Cindy Sheehan:

"Bush is the world's biggest terrorist."

"Yes, he (her son) was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."

And the support she has received from the likes of David Duke:

"Courageously she has gone to Texas near the ranch of President Bush and braved the elements and a hostile Jewish supremacist media."

He further explores the bizarre rhetoric and paranoia from the extreme Left/Right by setting forth and responding to the anti-war arguments made by socialists, anarchists, racialists, and paleocons alike.

Read the whole thing.

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Blogger stewdog said...

I've always observed the political spectrum to be an equator and not a line. The whackos on the right and the whackos on the left are indistinguishable and meet on the dark side of the moon.

August 26, 2005 1:29 PM  

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Question of the day

As heard this morning from Dennis Prager:

To those who oppose the war in Iraq, do you at least acknowledge that we're fighting truly evil people there?

I like the question because the answer will indicate either the honesty or moral compass (or both) of the person you're dealing with. If the person acknowledges that we are, indeed, fighting evil, then at least you have an honest person and can have an honest discussion. If the person does not acknowledge such evil, then you're dealing with someone who isn't even in the same moral arena and any further discussion is pretty much moot.

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Crankshaft

The comic Crankshaft is particularly poignant today. Ed and his pals, WWII Army vets of Europe all, are in DC to visit the WWII Memorial. The tour guide notices some children frolicking in the water of the fountain and comments, "I'd better go tell those kids to stop playing in the fountain." Crankshaft replies, "Lem 'em go. That's why we did it. . so those kids could play in that fountain."

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Thursday, August 25, 2005


Impressive Blog from Iraq

Michael Yon. Thanks to Hugh Hewitt.

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See "The Great Raid"

So says Hugh Hewiit. I plan to take his advice.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Well do it soon KM, before it disappears. I saw it and liked it. It is a 40's movie about 40's events and 40's characters. And no self important "stars" mucking it up. Hollywood needs to make more movies like this.

August 25, 2005 10:42 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Stewdog, have you read "Ghost Soldiers"? Apparently the movie is partly based on that book.

August 25, 2005 10:56 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Yes. . I read it quite a while ago. It is a great book. The movie is based on that and one other book, as well as other source material. The film begins and ends with actual footage and photos. It is very moving and compelling.

August 25, 2005 11:24 AM  

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The Iraq constitution

David Brooks consults Peter Galbraith and Reuel Marc Gerecht about the Iraq consitution. They're both impressed.

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Democrats singing the siren song of extremism?

George Will comments on the small faction of extremists who seem increasingly to be setting an intemporate political tone for the Democrats.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Good article. George sometimes drives me mad going to the dictionary, but that one was clear and consice.
The only thing that can beat the Republicans is the Republicans.
So it would be nice if Pat Robertson and Savage Nation could just put a sock in it.

August 25, 2005 11:36 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Oh, I just discovered Savage Nation and enjoy it. Comes in on a somewhat scratchy a.m. signal, but I listen some nights anyway. I've been partially boycotting my former favorite conservative talk radio station WMAL since they fired Michael Graham [a wickedly funny radio guy from the deep South]. Anyway, Savage cracks me up and you gotta love his accent. Wish he was on earlier in the day.

August 25, 2005 11:55 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

He's not my cup of tea. . too far over the top . . . a right wing version of Michael Moore whom I think does more harm than good.
We get Hugh Hewitt out here who is conservative, but very intelligent, has a good radio show and a nice blog.

August 25, 2005 3:45 PM  

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A glimpse at Cindy Sheehan's priorities

The AP reporter who wrote this story would have you believe differently. It begins:

"Even when she was in California taking care of her mother..."

But it's not just my own incredulity for things Cindy Sheehan that would lead me to believe she doesn't really care all that much about her mother. I'll let Cindy Sheehan speak for herself:

"This is where I belong, until Aug. 31, like I told the president."

No. Ms. Sheehan was not speaking of belonging at her mother's bedside where she could give her aid and comfort as she begins "physical therapy for paralysis on her right side" for a stroke she has just suffered. She was speaking of Crawford, Texas -- where she has just returned (after a brief visit to the bedside of her mother) to hang out with the likes of Vigo Mortensen and a gaggle of misguided Cindy worshipers.

Question for AP reporter: How is Cindy Sheehan "taking care of her mother" when she is in Crawford, Texas just as physical therapy is set to begin to help her mother recover? And don't get me wrong. I understand how difficult it is to care for a parent in such a state of failing health because the demands of every day life often will not allow for the time we would need to give them such care. But in Cindy's case...she's...got time to hang out in the desert...and stuff.

Here's how Cindy's arrival back at the vigil went:

When Sheehan arrived at the campsite, she saw a large banner depicting her son's face. She sobbed and said she felt ill. Supporters brought her water and cold towels, and she recovered about 20 minutes later.

I bet her mother could use some water and cold towels...

Update: Tim Blair has more on Mother Sheehan. It's not quite a grilled cheese sandwich, but hey, a saint has to start somewhere ...

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Slow News Summer = Sheehan coverage

August 25, 2005 10:44 AM  

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WWJA

Hat tip to political cartoonist Michael Ramirez for today's entry. .. . .a car with a Robertson vanity plate and a "Who would Jesus Assasinate?" bumper sticker.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005


Movies

I noticed that Kate Marie's post about films got a lot of responses. It seems to be the most popular subject among the throngs of loyal readers of this blog.
I read the Lileks link on one of Kate's entries, that took me to the film Silent Running. That in turn inspired me to a new film topic. Are there any films that you saw as a younger person that you really, REALLY, loved, only to see again at a later date when you were off the 'Buckin' Bronco' and exclaim "What the HELL was I thinking?"
I will confess that I actually loved the following films that now cause me to squirm:

Silent Running
Billy Jack
Early Stephen Segal fims.
Easy Rider

Anybody else? Come on. . confess and the truth will set you free.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

"Dead Poets Society" springs to mind. There are movies that I LOVED that I don't really hate now, but that make me regret my earlier unquestioning enthusiasm --"Harold and Maude" fits that category, and, strangely "Long Day's Journey Into Night." And then there are movies like "Il Postino," that I still think are beautiful and poignant -- sort of. When I first saw Il Postino I had no idea how much an apologist for mass murder Pablo Neruda actually was; in any event, and maybe I'm rationalizing, but I think it's possible to view the movie as ambiguous about the eulogizer of Stalin and his relationship with the humble postman.

Then there I movies that I loved, then considered a bore, then loved again -- like "Chariots of Fire."

And then there's "To Kill a Mockingbird." HATE that one. ;)

August 24, 2005 1:31 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

OK, you don't mean that you Hate to Kill A Mockingbird. I assume that was tongue in cheek.
The actor who played the accused just died.

August 24, 2005 1:56 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Oh, please don't turn this into a left coast movie blog. I feel so out of it. I've actually seen a few of the older movies mentioned, but doubt I'll get to see them a 2nd time, as I haven't been in a theater since, oh, maybe 1991.

Does it count that I saw Planet of the Apes and loved it, but was less moved when I attended a Planet of the Apes I, II, and III showing a few years later?

The "festival" was partially ruined by the projection person who showed II and III out of order, but more so by the poor quality of the later 2 films. How many of those clunkers did they finally make? Yeesh.

August 24, 2005 1:57 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Yes. That counts. And I will Add Planet of the Apes to my list.
We aren't in danger of becoming a movie blog, but we do love (some) movies.

August 24, 2005 3:07 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Fear not, C.I.V. -- we will not become a movie blog. But I will urge you to go out and try a movie again -- they have made *some* good ones since '91 (if few and far between). I actually have respect for film as an art form, though it certainly doesn't always live up to the possibilities.

August 24, 2005 4:56 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

"Porky's".

Somehow It doesn't have the cinematic magic that I thought it possessed as a younger lad.

August 25, 2005 9:01 AM  

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Sorry France...

You're going to have to do better than this. A six year old urine sample with an anonymous number?

I think the bias of this publication against Armstrong is evidenced by this tidbit from the article:

L'Equipe is owned by the Amaury Group whose subsidiary, Amaury Sport Organization, organizes the Tour de France and other sporting events. The paper often questioned Armstrong's clean record and frequently took jabs at him - portraying him as too arrogant, too corporate and too good to be real.

"Never to such an extent, probably, has the departure of a champion been welcomed with such widespread relief," the paper griped the day after Armstrong won his seventh straight Tour win and retired from cycling.

The bottom line is that Armstrong never failed a drug test in his entire career, including a surprise test administered to him the day before this year's Tour. Give it up Frenchies. He kicked your ass for seven years and he will most likely be the greatest cyclist the sport has ever seen no matter how much you try to smear him after the fact.

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Brilliant minds think alike.

August 24, 2005 12:46 PM  

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August 24, 2005

Only 4 more months till Christmas Eve. Not too soon to be thinking about Tracking Santa, seeing a Christmas Play, working on some new recipes, studying up on the origins, getting those cards, or getting Stewdog's present.
You'll curse me today for bringing this up, but mark my words, in a few months you will wish you had listened to me.

UPDATE: It is now the 25th. . only 4 months until the big day. You have all wasted one precious shopping day already.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Are you really getting a Maserati, SD? Which one are you hoping to find under the tree?

[BTW, I love the NORAD Santa tracking. We check it every year.]

August 24, 2005 2:02 PM  

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That is "F" as in French

Just another reason to despise the inhabitants of that fair country.
They just can't leave Lance alone.
And my favorite part of this entire story, requiring 4 page coverage in France:

"The laboratory, a specialist anti-doping unit outside Paris in Chatenay-Malabry, said the samples it tested did not have names attached and it could not confirm if any of the samples were Armstrong's."

UPDATE: Lance Fights Back. Would sure love to see some wealthy American finance his lawsuit against these buttheads.


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The Decline of Western Civilization, Part 347

God help us all. Her dogs' freakin' nuptials?

The one thing that comforts me is that I have only a vague idea who these people are.

(Hat tip: James Lileks, who has a shiny new screed here.)

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I can only imagine what led up to the doggie nuptuals:
"Woof. . I've gotten her pregnant"
"Well, you'll need to marry the b**ch".

August 24, 2005 8:11 AM  

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Presidential Straw Poll

Patrick Ruffini has another straw poll going at his blog. Giuliani is in the lead, and Condoleeza Rice leads the "fantasy candidates." Very interesting ...

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I like Fred Thompson. He is also a fine actor. He was great in Hunt For Red October as Rear Admiral Joshua Painter on the USS Enterprise.

August 24, 2005 12:50 PM  

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005


The Full Scoop from Pat

Queried about his recent recommendation to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Pat Robertson explained that he had been misinterpreted. In fact, that was only one of a long list of actions he had intended to recommend against various world leaders, including-

Fidel Castro should also be assassinated, but first he should be forced to dress in a Wonder Woman costume and sing "Swanee" to a Boy Scout jamboree in Texas.

Tony Blair should be left unharmed, but his ears should be taped back so they don't stick out so far from his head.

Hu Jintao should have his left kidney replaced by a "Chia Pet"

Vladimir Putin should be made the subject of the following knock-knock joke:

A: Knock-knock
B: Who's there?
A: Putin
B: Putin who?
A: Putin off renouncing sin is no joke!

Queen Elizabeth II should have her hair dyed bright pink. Then she should be assassinated.

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He's just advocating "Parson assisted suicide". Frankly, I think Pat has gone the Leonard Tose Route after watching too much coverage of St. Cynthia de Sheehan of Crawford.

August 24, 2005 9:53 AM  

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Sigh

I can't think of anything to say about this anymore.

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They're going to die in the heat wearing that islamofascistly correct camo gear.

August 24, 2005 1:42 PM  

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San Francisco Supervisors reject WWII battleship museum

Eugene Volokh has the links.

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I say that the Navy should send an active battleship into the SF Bay, train those guns on SF City Hall and level the den of iniquity.

August 23, 2005 5:18 PM  

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Just say No

Moma don't let your babies grow up to be . . babies having babies!

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School officials are not sure what has contributed to so many pregnancies.

Send those school officials back to "family life" class. They ought to know where babies come from.

August 24, 2005 1:46 PM  

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FWIW

Who is your Harry Potter alter ego?

You scored as Hermione Granger.

You're one intelligent witch, but you have a hard time believing it and require constant reassurance. You are a very supportive friend who would do anything and everything to help her friends out.

Hermione Granger 85%
Albus Dumbledore 75%
Sirius Black 75%
Severus Snape 70%
Remus Lupin 70%
Harry Potter 65%
Ginny Weasley 65%
Draco Malfoy 60%
Ron Weasley 60%
Lord Voldemort 30%


Update: I think if I'd answered the questions more honestly, I would have ended up as Severus Snape.

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Women, Men, Movies, and Romance

My husband and I saw Wedding Crashers this weekend. I was in the mood for a comedy, and I knew ahead of time that this one was going to be raunchy. While too much designed-for-the-male-sensibility raunch generally puts me off, I decided that I'd give this movie a try, and that if it was funny enough, I wouldn't care about the raunch. Well, my friends, it was definitely funny enough. It's not a great film, and the last half hour is rather slow (though it's enlivened by an inspired cameo), but it is an hilarious movie. Vince Vaughn's performance alone is worth the price of admisison.

But this post isn't really about Wedding Crashers. It's about the differences between what men and women find romantic, and, yes, that subject is already a cliche, made quite explicit in the scene in Sleepless in Seattle (an utterly unromantic comedy) where the woman tears up describing An Affair to Remember and Tom Hanks and his brother-in-law have a mock sob-fest over The Dirty Dozen. My husband prompted this line of thinking when he remarked that he was surprised that the crudeness of the humor in Wedding Crashers hadn't turned me against the movie, and that led to a discussion of what women actually find appealing or romantic in films (as opposed to the uninspired, pedestrian fare offered up by most contemporary "romantic" comedies), and then -- since my husband was hard-pressed to come up with a single movie scene he considered "romantic" -- to a question about whether men find anything romantic about movies or whether "romance" was an aspect of the cimematic experience that didn't much apply to men's assessment of the merits of any particular film.

Here's a brief, and by no means exhaustive, list of some of the film scenes that I consider romantic:

* The kiss on the Tuscan hillside in A Room with a View.

* Cary Grant taking Ingrid Bergman in his arms and carrying her down that long staircase at the end of Notorious.

* Harrison Ford dancing with the Amish woman to the accompaniment of the car radio in Witness.

* The look that Bill Pullman gives Sandra Bullock at the very end of While You Were Sleeping.

* The final scene of Breakfast at Tiffany's, accompanied by that lush Hollywood instrumental version of Moon River (which is probably the only theme song in movie history to substantially and all on its own improve the quality of the film in which it appeared).

* Heathcliff (Laurence Olivier) taking Cathy (Merle Oberon) in his arms and guiding her to an open window so that she can see the moors a final time, in Wuthering Heights.

* Bette Davis looking at Paul Henreid as he greets his transformed daughter in Now, Voyager.

Do men have lists like this (that aren't of the Dirty Dozen kind)? Men, feel free to chime in and prove me wrong (or right). Women, feel free to add to my very truncated list with your own suggestions.

Update: I forgot the following:

* Colonel Brandon (Alan Rickman) carrying the sick and heartbroken Marianne Dashwood (Kate Winslett) to safety in Sense and Sensibility. It's interesting, by the way, that this scene doesn't occur in Jane Austen's book -- I find that film adaptations of Austen often render the stories more conventionally romantic than the novels themselves.

* Any time Mr. Darcy (Colin Firth) looks at Elizabeth Bennett (Jennifer Ehle) in the A&E version of Pride and Prejudice.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Haven't seen Crashers yet. Thought it could wait until video.
Do want to see 40 year old Virgin. Sounds great and The Stewdog's bride did a pilot with Steve Carrell and she gave him thumbs up.

August 23, 2005 1:31 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Most guys just are't that romantic, especially after they get past around 25. Maybe that's why there are guy flicks and gal flicks.
However, the romance thing has clicked for me without gagging in a couple of movies: When Harry Met Sally, While You Were Sleeping, and About Last Night.
Legends of the Fall was Romantic in a twisted kind of way. English Patient was romantic, but long and boring. Braveheart was quite romantic, especially the early scenes with his bride. Princess Bride! Jerry McGwire! Team America World Police! ('You had me at ___ ___ ___'). Last of the Mohicans. The Wedding Singer. Moonstruck.

August 23, 2005 2:28 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

It is always dicey to share one's personal tastes with you, Kate Marie, but here you go-

~Eve Marie-Saint attempting to restrain Marlon Brando from fighting with the mob boss at the end of "On the Water Front"

~the scene between Donna Reed and Jimmy Stewart on the phone in "It's a Wonderful Life"

~the press confernce at the end of "Roman Holiday."

~the wedding scene in "Philadelphia Story"

~the scene in "Sense and Sensiblity" when Emma Thompson finds out Hugh Grant is not married

August 23, 2005 2:41 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

You hurt me, Madman, you really do -- especially since I think you have excellent taste (except for that unfortunate Goodfellas thing). And you proved it by listing one of the great romantic movie scenes of all time -- Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed on the phone with "Heehaw" Sam Wainwright in It's a Wonderful Life. I can't believe I forgot that one! And the rest of your list is no slouch, either.

Stewdog, the most romantic scene in Princess Bride is the bowed and bloody Inigo Montoya standing up, and with increasing force repeating, "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." I thought about the English Patient, too, but I'm always a little creeped out by the fact that (for me) the most romantic scene there is the one of Ralph Fiennes carrying the white-shroud-draped body of Kristen Scott Thomas (or whatever her name is) out of the cave. But maybe it's me who's creepy, and not the movie.

August 23, 2005 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's two votes for Wuthering Heights and Alan Rickman again gets a nod in this category (funny, he seems a very unlikely leading man type but...) in Truly, Madly, Deeply. British film out about 5-10 years ago. He dies and wife is so distraught his ghost comes back. Her life's complete again but he starts to drive her so crazy (with help from a bunch of fellow ghosts), she finds a new boyfriend (a living one) and the last scene is Rickman and all the other ghosts watching her leave with the new man. That was Rickman's plan the whole time, you see, to get her to accept that he's dead and to move on with her life. Very touching.

Overall though, most movies that bill themselves as a Romance or Romantic Comedy fall flat. Most of the time, the woman is the most poorly written character and you can't understand why this guy is beating himself up over her. Her only role in the film is to look beautiful and that's enough for the leading man to move mountains, kill everyone in sight or accomplish some other unbelievable act of heroism (Last of the Mohicans, Against All Odds, etc.)

Movies that had female leads that you actually care about? Gone With The Wind - easy to understand why Scarlet drove them all crazy. The previously mentioned Wuthering Heights - Cathy is so stubborn and driven that Heathcliff has to go along for the ride. To Have and Have Not - Slim and Steve, 'nuff said.

Stewdog, we know you're "past around 25" but you came up with quite a list of movies there. Don't get whiplash doing that 180. I disagree with some of your choices, though, for the reasons mentioned above. Especially Legends of the Fall. Come on, all those brothers after the same personality-free chick? There had to be other women in Montana.

- Dirtbiker for W

August 23, 2005 3:05 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

But that is the essence of romance. It doesn't make sense. It is a beautuful woman casting a spell over a man. Everyone around him knows she is no good for him, but he persists. Such is the madness of love.

August 23, 2005 3:14 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

And anopther thing, I didn't do "a
180", I did, as the jocks love to say "a 360".

August 23, 2005 3:15 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Dirtbiker, I LOVE Truly, Madly, Deeply -- especially the scene where Alan Rickman is waving goodbye to her surrounded by his "dead" friends. And it's got a beautiful score that features a gorgeous Bach cello and piano sonata. Great choice. I actually remember making my husband and Madman watch this movie long ago, and they were polite about it, but their politeness was merely a "don't- disparage-the-chick-flick-in-front-of-the-overly-emotional-chick" mask for their real feelings.

I think you're right about the flatness of lots of what's considered romantic (especially by today's standards). As Stewdog has pointed out, men may view "romance" differently, but for me there has to be some sense of relationship between the two characters, a sense of why they love each other -- which is why I hated Sleepless in Seattle (aside from the fact that the only thing that seemed to be wrong with Meg Ryan's sweet boyfriend in the movie was that he had allergies).

August 23, 2005 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I'm a guy way past 25 but here a couple:
John Wayne's courtship of Maureen O'Hara in the "Quiet Man".

Bill Holden and Jennifer Jones in the hillside scenes in "Love is a Many Slendored Thing".

Mentioning Holden, he has to get a nod also for the dance scene in "Picnic" to the music of "Moonglow/Theme from Picnic" with Kim Novak.

In both "Splendored Thing" and "Picnic" the music is also a star in the "romance" scenes.

August 23, 2005 3:42 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

I'm ashamed to say I've never really seen Love is a Many Spledored Thing, but I know it's a fave among certain old fogeys I know and love. :)

I second the John Wayne/Maureen O'Hara nomination.

August 23, 2005 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous - Thank you for bringing in The Quiet Man (otherwise known as the Best Movie Ever). It should have been at the top of my list of movies that lets the viewer in on the reason Leading Man is so hot for Leading Lady.

As I'm being disagreeable today, I'll have to say that Picnic is misrepresented as a Romance. You can find it in the Horror section. Scarier than The Exorcist, the dancing scene on the dock is so cringe-worthy I have to look away whenever it's on (you may ask why I would even watch it -the other Dirtbiker in the house counts it as a favorite. Opposites attract, I guess). It also falls into the category of "what the heck is so great about her again?" films.

And I suppose that the reason that nobody has mentioned Casablanca here (I'm back on the great movies) is that its like mentioning that the air we breathe contains oxygen; it's a given.

- Dirtbiker for W

August 23, 2005 4:06 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

OK, the scene in McClintock when John Wayne throws Maureen O'Hara into the mud. Now THAT's romance!
I also mention The Bridges at Toko Ri. . just becase I like it and Willim Holden is in it and Grace Kelly looks great.

August 23, 2005 5:11 PM  
Blogger Winston said...

Ah, to kiss Helena Bonham Carter on a Tuscan hillside . . .

August 23, 2005 7:33 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

I agree with stewdog that "Team America" is among the most romantic films ever made, but he missed the most romantic line-


"I promise I'll never die."

August 24, 2005 5:29 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

How could I forget. . .the romantic interplay between Clarice Starling and Dr. Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs (adapted from Shari Lewis' The Silence of Lamb Chop)

August 24, 2005 10:12 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

I'm in agreement with Stewdog on "Legends Of the Fall".

The scene at the end where the aged Tristin gets mauled by the grizzly bear gets me all misty.

"It was a good death"...

And speaking of Maureen O'Hara, how about Quasimoto flying to her rescue in "Hunchback" -- Sanctuary!

August 25, 2005 9:31 AM  

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Biking with 43

Nice article about a SI reporter's mountain bike ride with the Prez.

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The Public Square

I took my time getting to work today and took a nice bike ride along the new path that has been constructed adjacent to the busway that will transverse the San Fernando Valley. Coming back, I coasted through the Civic Center at the Van Nuys Courthouse. I am always fascinated by the mass of humanity hustling in to do business before the courts.
There is a nut who is a regular there. In the past, he has had a sign that combines religious philosopy and politics in a manner suggestive of someone who is "off his meds". That sign has evolved into a gauntlet of about 30 posters, most of which are constructed in a cut and paste ransom note motif. The common themes can be summed up as follows: "Bush is a fascist and free our Palestinian brothers". Hmm. . I was understanding of his right to free speech and decided to exercise mine. As I coasted by, I looked him in the eye, gave a raised fist, and said "Long Live Israel". To which he provided a Steve Martinesque reply, "I don't think soooooooo."

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

Good on ya, Stewdog -- that's a story that makes me proud to be an American.

August 23, 2005 10:51 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Unfortunately, we have abdicated the public square to the homeless and the deranged. I would venture to guess that few will call this fool on his 'messages'.

August 23, 2005 11:29 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

That's not the public square -- that's their HOME, you heartless Rethuglican. And those people aren't "deranged;" they're the only sane ones, man ... the only sane ones in a society gone mad.

August 23, 2005 12:28 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

I'm sorry. I guess I need to pray to Our Lady Of Crawford for guidance (or is it St. Cindy. . or Mother Sheehan? I'm so confused).
Insanity as a sane response to an insane world. That is just soooooooooooo 60's. Put down the bong, and stop staring at your hands, KM.

August 23, 2005 12:37 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Picture me picking up that huge tub thingy and crashing it through the window so that I can break free of the "insane" asylum and live the life that my courageous but now-cruelly-lobotomized friend encouraged me to live. To the accompaniment of some vaguely Native American music. While the rest of the inmates cheer my escape to freedom.

August 23, 2005 1:24 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Ah come on. . Your marriage can't be that bad!!!

August 23, 2005 2:18 PM  

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Monday, August 22, 2005


"Of Minds and Metrics"

Here's a good article by Michael Barone on changing minds in the Muslim world. As Barone points out, perhaps what's important is not getting people in Arab and Muslim countries to like America, but getting them to hate terrorism in the name of Islam.

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Blogger stewdog said...

I like Michael Barone. A clear voice among the shouting.

August 23, 2005 12:04 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

We can only hope and pray for more good changes and thank God for what good has come already.

August 24, 2005 1:52 PM  

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Bang for your buck

For 23 grand a year, you too can be taught by a "bonified member of the MLA."

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I never realized this before

"Being Christian should lead one to be Like Christ and be liberal"

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Father Joe

I've just finished reading Tony Hendra's Father Joe. I wasn't quite as ecstatic about the book as some have been, but I liked its reconsideration of history and tradition, especially from someone who had been all too willing to throw those concepts on the garbage heap to make way for the new, or what comes next -- which is always, however amorphous and ill-defined, assumed to be better than what came before.

Here's Hendra on the reforms of Vatican II:

The mighty chain of events and people stretching back over almost two thousand years, which even a pimply teenager like me had once thrilled to, had been not just shattered but thrown on the garbage heap. As if only certain links in it matttered -- the Church's official lapses and sins -- not the hundreds of millions of other links: kind and generous people, clergy and laity, hard-striving souls full of faith and good works and humor -- and of failure and frustration and sin and tribulation. These had been the Church also -- for two thousand years. But they appeared to be without merit for our doughty reformers, nothing but a millenium-long death dance of superstition and gullibility.

As far as I could tell, the reformers who had taken charge after Vatican II -- mostly my contemporaries or slightly older -- had indulged enthusiastically in one of our generation's most deadly flaws, nurtured, no doubt, by growing up in the rubble of World War II -- a willful lack of any sense of history.

I'd been doing no reforming, but I was not without blame. Like my contemporaries, I'd bought into an attitude that went well beyond Henry Ford's reprehensible "history is bunk." In our version, history was far worse than bunk: it was suspect, the enemy, invariably evil, a repository of constant failure and deadly delusions and appalling role models. History was when all the mistakes were made, all the atrocities committed, that time before we knew better. History was before we were born again into the One True Faith: only change, with its benison of the new and the now, can lead to salvation.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Funny, but my father. . Joe. . is reading that book too.

August 23, 2005 2:38 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

That's great, Stewdog. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks of it.

August 23, 2005 3:03 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Or were you just pulling my leg?

August 23, 2005 3:03 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

I'm serious. . for a change.

August 23, 2005 5:20 PM  

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Funny how some of the biggest advocates of public schooling wouldn't think of sending their own kids to one

Cathy Seipp writes about public schools and private pretensions in L.A.

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Good article. I enjoy Sandra. Her "Depth Takes A Holiday" about the San Fernando Valley is great.
She is pictured on the cover in front of Cupid's hot dogs, one of the bright spots of Van Nuys, which, of course, was recently demolished to make way for another mini mall.

August 22, 2005 1:32 PM  

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America is a nicer place today because. . .

Sean Penn isn't here.

But unfortunately, Joan Baez IS!!

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

"Last year I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles."

--Sean Penn puppet in "Team America"

August 22, 2005 12:48 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Is that Life Imitates Art, or Art Imitates Life? It is getting hard to tell the 2 apart.

August 22, 2005 1:33 PM  

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National Punctuation Day

Yes! Today; is? National Punctuation Day, I hope (?] that everyone; checks out : this sight . too bee sure that ' all there puckatution is cereckt;
We"ll take up spellin nexst holyday.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005


Good Read

I am currently reading The Forgotten Soldier.
There is a debate as to whether it is truth or fiction.
Hats off to CIV for getting that much reading done on vacation.
On my week off, I got through 100 pages or so.
The role of books in my life is to trigger naps.

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Captain Dale Dye

This guy is great. He is forever just under the radar, but constantly shows up in great movies and TV shows and is often hired by Hollywood as a military technical adviser.
Recetly seen in Entourage (the best 1/2 hour on television) and Great Raid.
Oh. . and he is from Missouri. 'Nuff said.

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Outside The Tent

Hat's off to the LA Times (that sticks in my craw) for allowing some criticism of itself.
I enjoyed this clear take on the Saint Cindy Sheehan affair.

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Mallard

Mallard Fillmore is great today. The two characters are playing chess. Mallard exclaims "Hey, you can't move your rook 7 spaces diagonally". The balding bow-tied professor type says "You're right, that you didn't used to be able to. . but. . I'm a progressive. . I view the rules of chess as a 'living document'!"

A little History of the strip is in order:

"Tinsley created Mallard for what he saw as the conservative underdog. The strip is for "the average person out there: the forgotten American taxpayer who's sick of the liberal media and cultural establishments that act like he or she doesn't exist," he says.
"Mallard" almost did not see the light of day. When asked to come up with a mascot for The Daily Progress entertainment section, artist Tinsley showed editors three ideas: a blue hippopotamus; a big nose in tuxedo and cane; and a duck.
Tinsley says the hippo went unused for fear of offending overweight people, and the nose was axed because it would "offend people of Jewish and Mediterranean descent, not to mention Arabs and anyone else with a big nose." Tinsley says he thought his editors were kidding, but they were not.
Once Mallard Fillmore was off and running, his editors requested Tinsley tone down its conservative bias. When he refused, he was fired.
The strip caught the attention of The Washington Times, which used Tinsley's wise-quacking journalist in the commentary section before moving the strip to the comics pages. The rest, as they say, is history."

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Attention, Angels fans ...

Matt Welch has some choice words for Steve Finley: "Sayonara, grandpa." There's more.

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Scotty and I went to the game yesterday and Finley actually managed two hits. I'm not sure what was worse, the booing or the derisive cheer once his bloop single landed safely.

He did manage a hard-hit double off Schilling in the 9th so maybe...just maybe...He's starting to come around.

I don't like his comments. If you're playing as poorly as he is you have to be more self-effacing and convey a sense of disappointment in not giving the fans better results.

That said, I'm willing to give him a little bit more time to find his groove. We're going to need all the help we can get down the stretch.

August 22, 2005 9:06 AM  

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I second the nomination

Bob Costas for anchor of all three networks.

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Blogger stewdog said...

A touch of integrity in the MSM?
HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 21, 2005 12:11 PM  

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Saturday, August 20, 2005


Hitchens

on Cindy Sheehan again.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Excellent. I await Ron Reagan's rebuttal.

August 20, 2005 5:37 PM  

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Friday, August 19, 2005


Standing athwart history ...

In the Summer issue of the Claremont Review of Books, Michael Uhlmann writes about William F. Buckley and the rise of the conservative movement. He notes that where one stood on the Hiss case became a crucial question in the early days of National Review:

As to the cause itself, National Review provided its readers with a continuing stream of evidence, not otherwise easily available, on the aggressive motives and tactics of Soviet foreign policy. Readers also learned that the Cold War could not be properly understood without addressing its moral dimension. The indispensable guide on that point, the Ur-text as it were, was Witness, the compelling testament of Whittaker Chambers, whom Buckley induced for a time to serve as a contributing editor. By attending carefully to that great book and the controversy that caused it to be written, one could discover the fatal fault lines of the contemporary liberal establishment. Even more, perhaps, than Chambers himself, Buckley drew the lesson in stark relief: An establishment that could not bring itself to acknowledge the moral fault and legal guilt of Alger Hiss was an establishment that could not be counted on to stand up against Soviet imperialism when the crunch came. The permutations of that proposition, which worked themselves out in a hundred implicit and explicit ways in National Review's editorial policy, became the magazine's raison d'être. If membership in the conservative cause had been determined by an entrance exam, the leading question would have been where one stood on the Hiss case. On this, as on many other matters, philosophical understanding preceded and defined the order of battle.

How come no one knows who Alger Hiss and Whittaker Chambers were anymore? Well, maybe the students of the guy who holds the Alger Hiss Chair of Social Studies at Bard College have heard of him, but they probably think he's someone who was important in "social studies"' -- and so he was, come to think of it, but not in the way they think. And, yes, probably most professors of history (or at least of American history) have some acquaintance with the Hiss/Chambers affair, but why do I have the feeling (unprovable in the absence of public opinion polling on the matter) that the average "man on the street" would have no idea who Alger Hiss was, that the average college-educated "man on the street" would think maybe he's that guy who wrote those inspirational rags-to-riches stories, and that the average gradate student in literature "man on the street" would think maybe he's that poet who, according to Stephen Dedalus, called the sea "our mighty mother" (but come to think of it, rather less of them would know who Stephen Dedalus is than one might think). And how come librarians don't know Stalin's first name? And how come my twenty-three-year-old cousin gave me a blank stare when I mentioned the historical significance of the date 1939? And how come if you ask the average college graduate what was the trial of the twentieth century in America, they'll say "O.J." and if you ask the average high school student what was the trial of the twentieth century, they'll say "Jacko"? And how come everybody knows who the Backstreet Boys are (or were) and nobody knows who the Scotsboro Boys were? Don't get me wrong -- there are embarrassing lacunae in my own historical knowledge, but I'm neither proud of them nor unconcerned about them.

My little incoherent rant has now run far afield of the original quotation. Let me bring it back to National Review by suggesting that their new motto should be "Standing athwart history, shouting 'Pay attention, for God's sake!'"

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Blogger stewdog said...

Teacher!!! I know. . I know!!!!

Alger Hiss was a cartoon snake. His name was an ANO MANO PEE A.

Whittaker Chambers is the child of
Forrest Whitaker and Marilyn Chambers, but didn't follow either of thier footsteps into acting or porno.

Next Question Please?

August 21, 2005 12:14 PM  

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Birthday Greetings

It's Bill Clinton's birthday today and I thought it would be a nice gesture to wish the former President (boy, I can't believe he was our President) a happy birthday. So here it is.

Happy Birthday.

Wooo. That's done.

Now, I've included a couple of links below depending on which side of the isle you sit on.


Liberals click here

Conservatives click here.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Stewdog was also born on August 19.
HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 20, 2005 7:52 AM  
Blogger Scotty said...

I pity you, Stewdog. Well, at least you weren't born in the same year!

I bet we missed a great get-together last night. Sorry we couldn't be there. Wonderdog and I hope you had a wonderful birthday and have a another fantastic year!

August 20, 2005 11:24 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Thank you, very kind. Been a week of great celebrations.

August 20, 2005 11:54 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Happy Birthday, Stewdog. Sorry I missed it.

Been on vacation. It was nice to miss the news for a week. Probably take me a month to catch up, if I bother.

Scotty, hope you and the Wonderdog are managing to catch some sleep. How is the little pup?

August 20, 2005 4:57 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Hi, C.I.V.!

Welcome back from vacation -- hope you had fun.

Scotty, WD, and the pups are doing great.

August 20, 2005 5:10 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Thanks, KM. Had great weather on the Outer Banks. Thankfully, Hurricane Irene turned out to sea, rather than toward Hatteras, as it first hinted it might do.

Instead of politics and news, I read: Rebecca, The Joy Luck Club, and The Great Gatsby (all great reads). Plus, I started Foundation (a re-read) and The Count of Monte Cristo (abridged). I started, but skipped, Rule of Four.

Some of the books are on a HS reading list and I wanted to know what they're about. I'm not a member of PABBIS, but agree with them.

August 20, 2005 7:15 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

The Great Gatsby is my favorite of those, of course. I used to teach Rebecca to 9th grade girls -- it was a lot of fun. Now that you've read it, you can check out the great Hitchcock adaptation with Laurence Olivier.

August 20, 2005 10:18 PM  

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Hmmmm ...

I tend to think of the sciences as less prone to ideological bullying than the humanities, but this raises some concerns.

Update: I neglected to mention that I found this item via Kathryn Jean Lopez at The Corner. John Derbyshire, Andrew Stuttaford, Jonah Goldberg, and Wesley J. Smith have since weighed in on the issue (Derbyshire and Stuttaford with serious reservations about the crux of Smith's post). Scroll down for their comments.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Sad. Perhaps that leaves only pure mathematics safe from polital correctness. Oops. I forgot about ethnomathematics.

August 21, 2005 5:19 AM  

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Thursday, August 18, 2005


Blog discoveries

Via Cathy Seipp, I've discovered a blog called Odysseus, written by an Army officer in Iraq.

Here's his take on the absolute moral authority of Cindy Sheehan:

"... the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute." --Maureen Dowd

I would say that Maureen Dowd has the IQ of a houseplant, but I'm afraid that it would get back to our ferns and I'd have to apologize.

In this case, though, I'll concede her point and raise it.

She states that the moral authority of parents that have buried children in Iraq is absolute, but she stops at Cindy Sheehan.

She's missed a few.


Well, more than a few.

There are hundreds of thousands of parents who have buried their children after they were killed in Iraq. They include the parents of children killed by suicide bombers, children murdered in Saddam's prisons and buried in mass graves, children gassed in the Kurdish enclaves, children raped and murdered as a lesson to their families, children fed into plastic-shredding machines and children who were brutalized in every way that the sickest of the Ba'athists and Jihadis could imagine.

Is the moral authority of the parents of those children absolute? Because if it is, then it changes the anti-war calculus.

They want us to stay
.

[I think we'll be adding Odysseus and Cathy's World to our blog roll.]

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Great post. We definitely need to add them to our roll.

August 19, 2005 10:58 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

"Moral authority" is a crock. The wonder of our democracy is that we all stand as equals in the public square.

August 20, 2005 7:51 AM  

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Singling out Israel

James Lileks has the goods on the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

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Continuing the work of Ramesses

"Let my people go."

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Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

I don't see how your metaphor works. Rameses was trying to make the Jews stay in Egypt, not leave. Who is Rameses in the current situation, the settlers or the Israeli police?

August 18, 2005 10:42 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Agreed the metaphor wasn't perfect. It was hyperbole meant to arouse some indignation over these events. Of which there seems to be much lacking (and of which there would be plenty were these Palestinians rather than Jews).

Ramesses is the current world order (of which the Israeli police are conduits) which has led to this sad turn of events. True, he was trying to make the Jews stay, but only to enslave them and kill them at his caprice.

When a Jew is being physically restrained against his will and forced to surrender his freedom, what part of "let my people go" doesn't apply?

August 19, 2005 8:52 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

I've got a different take on these events than you. As sad as the pictures on everyone's TV screen have been and as much as I regret seeing intracommunal strife between Jews I see the Gaza disengagement as a very hopeful event, one for which the Bush adminsitration deserves some credit. Check out the latest posting on my blog if you want to see my views in detail.

August 19, 2005 10:58 AM  

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"The biggest terrorist in the world ...

is George W. Bush." So says Cindy Sheehan.

Just a quick question for Ms. Sheehan. Who would you rather meet in a dark alley, Dubya, Rummy and Condi or al Zarqawi and a couple of his pals?

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I tried, Cindy. I really did. I stuck up for you in these comments. I thought you were probably wracked with grief and letting your emotions control you. Was I wrong? It seems more likely that you have a severe case of News Camera Syndrome. This terrible disease affects not only the patient but many of those around her/him. News Camera Syndrome (NCS) affects the central nervous system by altering memory and perception. It makes its victims believe they actually have experience and authority in areas in which they have received no training or education. This syndrome is self-fulfilling; the greater the camera exposure, the greater the bona fides conferred. A related condition known as NCS-by-proxy affects those around the NCS victim and even draws complete strangers into its grasp (see also Michael Jackson supporters). NCS-by-proxy causes sufferers to also believe that the central subject possesses the education/authority to hold forth on a given issue. The phenomenon then spreads like ripples on the water so that all observers are drawn to participate in one way or another. Sometimes, this takes the form of water cooler debates or on-line discussions in comments sections... I guess the first step towards recovery is admitting that you have a problem. So, did you see that alligator in the lake in Harbor City? Wonder how it got there.

- Dirtbiker for W

August 18, 2005 3:23 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

DB,

You're still being too kind. She doesn't suffer from NCS, she suffers from ASS (Acute Selfishness Syndrome).

August 19, 2005 11:30 AM  

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005


Out and about in the blogosphere

*Via Rose Nunez, I've found this excellent review of Theodore Dalrymple's collection of essays, Our Culture, What's Left of It: The Mandarins and the Masses.

*Here's a rave review of The 40-Year-Old Virgin at The American Scene.

*At Outer Life: "Why do I dread vacations?"

*This post is rather old (as time is measured in the blogosphere), but it's a lovely reflection on Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid, and on tragedy and time as "the fire in which we all burn."

*Jeff at Quid Nomen Illius on writer's block and "stalks of green."

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Ending sentences with a preposition, y'all . . .

Rumpus correspondent Top Dog (a.k.a. "Queen of the East") sends in this joke:

A Southern lady sees a vacationing society lady from the Northeast. The Southern lady is gregarious: "Where y'all from?" Society lady is put off: "I'm from a place where they don't end sentences with a preposition." Southern lady smiles, nods her head: "Beg your pardon. Where y'all from, bitch?"

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Disabled Intelligence

"Able Danger."

Remember those words. It could very well be that they are the two words the Clinton Administration never wanted the American public to hear. They were heard by the highly political 9/11 commission and dismissed as not "historically significant" and therefore never mentioned in their final report. But their historical significance is yet to be decided and by the looks of things, their significance is gaining momentum every day.

A few questions that need to be asked for starters:

1) Who were these Defense Department lawyers who canceled these meetings with the FBI?
2) Did these lawyers make this decision on their own or did they have to report to Defense Secretary William Cohen? ( I would be shocked if Cohen was unaware of this)
3) If Cohen was aware of it, who else in the Clinton Administration was aware of it? (wouldn't this be something the Defense Secretary would report to the president?)
4) Was the upcoming 2000 election a factor in keeping this information under wraps for fear the American electorate would react negatively to a breach of national security?
5) When Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser, raided the National Archives and walked off with classified terrorism reports in his socks (a crime for which he has pled guilty), could it potentially have had something to do with this?

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Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

Your conspiracy theories are creative, but way off the mark, as the article you linked to makes clear:

"[L]awyers associated with the Special Operations Command of the Defense Department had canceled the F.B.I. meetings because they feared controversy if Able Danger was portrayed as a military operation that had violated the privacy of civilians who were legally in the United States."

The Special Operations Command is not a policy wing of the Pentagon, it is an operational unit of the military that plans and conducts operations against terrorists. It reports to the Joint Chiefs, not directly to the Secretary of Defense. The SOC lawyers were clearly worried about violating the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which forbids military personal from participating in domestic civilian law enforcement. This kind of bureaucratic barrier to intelligence-sharing could and did happen under all administrations, regardless of partisan affiliation, it had nothing to do with electoral politics.

August 17, 2005 11:14 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Madman,

I'm glad you've cleared all of this up for us. I guess there's nothing to it then.

But, just to be safe, I think we need to ask Colonel Shaffer a few questions.

Did Clinton lie and did 3,000 people die?

August 17, 2005 11:36 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

Go ahead and ask. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that this information got nowhere near President Clinton. Unlike that August 6, 2001 briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S"- Dubya slept and thousands wept.

August 17, 2005 11:41 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Oh, God, by all means let's get into the "who ignored the threat of terrorism more" game of gotcha. "Dubya" slept through the report on bin Laden; "Bubba" slept through the first WTC attack, the U.S.S. Cole, the Khobar Towers, etc. The scary thing is that there are some people who want to keep sleeping (Dennis Kucinich springs to mind).

I'd be more interested in this question: who is lying -- Colonel Shaffer or the vaunted 9/11 Commission?

August 17, 2005 12:10 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog started it.

Your question is interesting in only the academic sense, Kate Marie. The 9/11 report may not have mentioned Shaffer's testimony, but by the time the report was published it had already effectively been acted upon. Parts of the Patriot Act removed the legal firewalls that caused the SOC lawyers to balk at sharing intelligence with the FBI. In the end perhaps Shaffer's testimony was overlooked because new policies had made it moot.

August 17, 2005 9:10 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Madman,

I have to admit to playing Oliver Stone a bit in my post and its motivation was to give the other side a little of their own "Bush Lied" drivel back at them.

That said, it's absurd that the 9/11 Commission dismissed "Able Danger" out of hand and never even questioned Shaffer. If they dismissed him as a "moot" point, as you've suggested, their incompetence would be more frightening than any bias I could ascribe to them.

The same incompetence and perhaps negligence can be said for Clinton's Defense Dept. for withholding this evidence for fear of litigation from the ACLU.

As for the Posse Comitatus Act, let's look at the language:

"From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment."

Is giving information to the FBI on potential criminal activity which threatens the safety of American citizens an act of "executing" the law? How is it any different than a citizen calling the police when he observes criminal activity?

Even if you could somehow argue that such an information exchange was an "execution" of the laws, it would still fall within the exception that it is permitted when expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. The Supreme Court has held time and time again that any activity which would otherwise be in violation of the Constitution is permissible if it is "necessary to achieve a compelling state interest". If preventing a terrorist attack against our citizens isn't a "compelling state interest" and if informing the FBI of that threat isn't "necessary" to protecting that interest than I don't know what is.

Also, as to your confident assertion that Defense Secretary William Cohen would not be consulted on this matter, this language from the Act is in direct contradiction of that notion:

"Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law."

Are you telling me that the lawyers in this case, who were so concerned about violation of this Act, were unaware that the Secretary of Defense had supervisory oversight as to the adherence to this Act and failed to bing it to his attention? Wow.

I think we need to ask Shaffer some questions.

August 18, 2005 8:48 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

All of your parsing of Posse Comitatus is well and good, but any case against the Clinton administration still depends upon 20/20 hindsight and an unrealistic expectation of how the legal system and bureaucracy work. PC1878 may allow for domestic military law-enforcement in the case of a "compelling state interest," but it is only in the wake of 9/11 that we know just how compelling a state interest resided in the identity of Mohamed Atta. Without that foreknowledge it is difficult to expect that the legal and bureaucratic machinery of the Federal Government would behave any more quickly or differently than it did *given the then current state of the law*.

Sure, the Sec. of Def. has de jure oversight over all divisions and units of the military, but de facto s/he cannot possibly micromanage the legal issues that constantly arise during day to day military operations.

Special Operations Command is a tactical unit (45,000 soldiers) involved in constant field operations. They have their own legal team precisely in order to keep the numerous legal issues that arise in the natural course of their peculiar type of operations from having to always clear the Secretary of Defense's desk. The S.O.C. lawyers were doing what they had been ordered to do- engaging in legal triage so that the operational efficiency of the unit would not be hobbled by constant delays as questions passed up and down the chain of command. In hindsight their decision seems to have had grave consequences, and steps have been taken to preclude such an oversight happening again, but to blame what happened on the particular inefficiency of the Clinton White House is just not fair or accurate.

The best index of how little any particular partisan regime is to blame is the current stonewalling on the part of the DoD. If blame could be passed onto the Clinton White House why would DoD be reticent to release records surrounding this issue? The answer is obvious- the people involved are not political appointees that change from one regime to the next, they are career officers and bureaucrats who have been in place since 2000.

August 18, 2005 10:30 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Madman,

If the first WTC bombing and the U.S.S. Cole were insufficient "foreknowledge" to alert the administration of the "compelling state interest" with regard to Mr. Atta then I don't know what is. The negligenct decision-making in the "Able Danger" operation is not one that may only be seen in "hindsight." If the SOC is as deeply engaged in terrorist activities as you suggest, how could they not have known the threat? That doesn't make sense.

As for blaming the Clinton Administration or Clinton himself, I agree that I don't know enough to assign such blame. But I cetainly think we need to ask questions and find out. You seem to be opposed to questions at all.

You seem to have all the answers already. Why don't we ask quesions first and see if you're right.

August 19, 2005 9:50 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Wonderdog,

I have no problem with asking questions, I just don't see the smoking gun that you do. Let whoever wants to ask whatever questions they feel are warranted, in the end I feel that Kate Marie will be proven right, the "blame game" over 9/11 is a profitless sinkhole.

August 19, 2005 11:03 AM  

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Twenty Five. . ain't no jive

Today marks the passing of 25 years since the Stewdog wagged his tail to say I do to the Missus Stewdog. Two puppies later, a couple of pounds heavier, a tad greyer, but still keeping the flame alive.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

Happy Anniversary to both of you! That's an achievement to be proud of.

[Yes, I ended a sentence with a preposition. You're a lawyer -- sue me.]

August 17, 2005 9:43 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Happy Anniversary, Stewiedoggie. Wonderdog and Scotty just celebrated our 4th on the 11th.

Missus Stewdog deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for her service.

August 17, 2005 10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Topdog( nee Queen of the East) and Mrs. Topdog add our congratulations. It is indeed an achievement of which you may both be proud. (see that KMa?)

August 17, 2005 10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to the Stewdogs! Here's to another 25 years. And Kate Marie, you probably won't be sued but don't be surprised if Sister Patrice shows up on your doorstep with a ruler all ready to rap your knuckles.

- Dirtbiker for W

August 17, 2005 10:46 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Dirtbiker,

I think I actually had a Sister Patrice!

Topdog:

"It is indeed an achievement of which you may both be proud. (see that KMa?)"

-- Yours may be the grammatically approved version, but mine is the less pedantic one.

August 17, 2005 10:58 AM  

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005


Is the parent-child relationship purely "affectional"? Should it be?

Philosopher David Velleman at Left2Right has an interesting take on the same-sex marriage debate.

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Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

Unsurprisingly, I find Velleman's argument is very weak. It presumes 1)that the chief or only purpose of marriage for same-sex couples is joint parenthood; 2)that same-sex marriage is the only circumstances under which a child's "right" to know who his or her biological parent is could be abridged.

Whatever the UN charter might or might not say, it is clearly in everyone's best interests (including the children themselves) to allow parents to forfeit their rights and status in return for a guarantee of anonymity. To refuse to do so would lead to an increase in abortion, abandonment, and infanticide. If it is permissible in those instances, why should it be banned in cases of same-sex couple surrogacy? Because their desire for a child is somehow "indecent?" Is the prospect of bringing a child into the world that is wanted and loved not enough of a social good to allow the protection of a surrogate's anonymity?

Moreover, the situation of same-sex couples and the array of family options from which they must chose is no different from that of heterosexual couples who suffer from infertility. So why do same-sex couples pose a threat to the parent-child relationship that infertile heterosexual couples do not? Vellen's whole line of reasoning is based on a pre-existing bias- that same-sex couples are searching for a kind of fulfillment to which only heterosexual couples are entitled.

August 17, 2005 11:36 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Madman,

There's a blog where commenters for Left2Right can post their comments. I think you should take these issues up with Velleman there. (By the way, I don't think Velleman assumes either of the premises you mention in your comments, but you could ask him.)

August 17, 2005 11:48 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"Whatever the UN charter might or might not say, it is clearly in everyone's best interests (including the children themselves) to allow parents to forfeit their rights and status in return for a guarantee of anonymity. To refuse to do so would lead to an increase in abortion, abandonment, and infanticide."

-- How would the requirement that sperm donors not be anonymous lead to the consequences you describe?

August 17, 2005 12:01 PM  
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August 17, 2005 12:01 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

One last thing. You say:

"Vellen's whole line of reasoning is based on a pre-existing bias- that same-sex couples are searching for a kind of fulfillment to which only heterosexual couples are entitled."

-- Silly me. I thought he was talking about marriage and child-rearing, not about "fulfillment" and who is entitled to it. Why always the jump to an assumption of bias against homosexuals?

Maybe I should try this some time: "Your whole line of reasoning is based on a pre-existing bias- that people in polygamous relationships are searching for a kind of fulfillment to which only heterosexual and homosexual couples are entitled."

August 17, 2005 12:38 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"How would the requirement that sperm donors not be anonymous lead to the consequences you describe?"

You miss my point. Velleman argues that same-sex marriage should not be legalized because the aspirations of same-sex couples to parenthood fly in the face of a child's right to know their biological parents. If this right was so sacrosanct that it could justify denying same-sex couples the right to marry then it would have to be applied across the board- to, say, single unwed mothers contemplating the choice between adoption or abortion. If we allow for the pragmatic necessity of a parent giving up all rights and status in this latter case, is it fair to selectively disallow such an action in the case of same-sex surrogacy?

The case you mention illustrates my point very clearly. Sure, there is no pressing ethical reason to prevent sperm-donors from being compelled to reveal their identity, but if you do it will put a big crimp in the sperm supply, raising a hue and cry among infertile couples, hetero and same-sex alike. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen very soon.

As for my argument that Vellen's argument is built on bias, I don't see how his logical failing is explicable elsewise. How can he possibly contend that same-sex couples pose a greater threat to the parent-child relationship than infertile hetero couples, unless he is willing to argue that these latter couples may also not marry?

As for your argument about polygamy, it falls flat unless all participants in the relationship are of the same sex. If there are at least one person from each sex they can go ahead and have children without any problem, and never have to worry about concealing the identity of the biological parents from the child.

August 17, 2005 2:52 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

PS- I originally intended to give Velleman a piece of my mind but couldn't figure out how to post a comment. Are you sure there is a way to do it? The blog you refer to seems to be a list of other weblogs that have referenced Left2Right.

August 17, 2005 2:59 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Yes, go to the Left2Right main blog and scroll down to the post that says "Housekeeping." There you'll find a link to the blog where you can post comments.

August 17, 2005 3:44 PM  
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August 17, 2005 3:53 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

You're not -- or not wholly, anyway -- understanding my polygamy example.

Here's the crux of Velleman's position, I think:

"My worry is that a purely affectional conception of marriage will tend to favor a purely affectional conception of parenthood."

When you talk about "fulfillment" denied to homosexuals you are predicating your notion of marriage on the "affectional" model that Velleman rejects. It seems odd to me to base your description of Velleman's "bias" on a model of marriage which he rejects. If you want to argue that Velleman's rejection of the "affectional" conception of marriage is itself evidence of some anti-homosexual bias, go ahead, but then I would argue that your "affectional" model of marriage is evidence of anti-polygamy bias, unless you do in fact support marriage rights for polygamous relationships.

August 17, 2005 3:55 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

No, you are not understanding both a)what I meant by fulfillment (the fulfillment of having and raising one's own biological children); and b) why your polygamy example is not relevant to Velleman's argument. Nothing about polygamous marriage requires a "purely affectional concept of marriage." Polygamy was practiced for centuries and still is in some parts of the world as part of a very "biological" marriage program. Chinese emperors had hundreds of wives- it was the best way to insure that they had male progeny, and it didn't prevent any of his offspring from having one mother and one father. Even if you begin to postulate multiple men bonded to multiple women that does not necessitate an "affectional concept" of either marriage or parenthood. You can trot out the polygamy canard to argue against same-sex marriage on other fronts, but it simply doesn't jibe with Velleman's argument.

The problem with Velleman's thesis that affectional marriage will lead to affectional parenthood is that we already have a purely affectional model of civil marriage. Two people do not need to be fertile to marry nor do they need to have children to remain married. If a man from a childless marriage father's a child upon a woman other than his wife it doesn't make him any less married to the latter or more married to the former.

Moreover, as I keep repeating, Velleman's argument falls to pieces over the case of an infertile heterosexual married couple. Why is their marriage any less "affectual" than that of a same-sex couple, and why aren't the steps they might take to conceive their own children any more injurious to the "concept of parenthood" than those taken by a same-sex couple. This is where my discussion of "bias" and "fulfillment" comes in- Velleman's unspoken assumption (again, I can't make sense of his assertions otherwise) seems to be that a same-sex couple's desire to have biological offspring of their own is somehow less natural and/or more selfish than that of infertile heterosexual couples.

Now, Velleman may be arguing that all anonymous donorship, surrogacy, and adoption should be done away with, and that when that happens same-sex marriage will be undermined (note that it would simultaneously end the hopes of many infertile hetero couples of having their own children and would make it even harder to adopt children). As this is never going to happen, however (and is frankly a really bad idea in the first place, if that is really what he is proposing), his reasoning provides no compelling argument against same-sex marriage.

August 17, 2005 8:48 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Velleman *does* oppose donorship, anonymous or otherwise (as his post makes clear). I'm not sure what his position on surrogacy is, and it seems he supports adoption (but perhaps not anonymous adoption). You might want to read his paper on family history; it's very interesting.

The fullfillment of "having and raising one's own children" is *not* denied to same-sex couples (nor to single mothers and fathers, nor to polygamous relationships, for that matter); the fulfillment of marriage as the context of such child-rearing is denied. I suspect that Velleman would argue that, despite the existence of infertile couples and those who choose not to procreate, marriage should be restricted to heterosexual unions as a category, because it is the only category of union which naturally produces children.

I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say we already have a *purely* affectional model of marriage, but I don't think the presence of infertile couples or other "deviant" relationships (please don't jump on the phrase -- I mean something specific and non-derogatory) *proves* that marriage is purely affectional. If one believes that there's a normative principle underlying marriage, the presence of deviations from that norm does not in and of itself alter the principle. But I can't believe that you think marriage is *purely* affectional -- that is, that there's no normative principle involved.

August 17, 2005 11:22 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

I went back and re-read Velleman's argument prior to posting on L2R's response blog. Yes, he does oppose anonymous donorship and adoption, but his attempt to derive an argument against same-sex marriage from the case he makes against anonymous donorship and adoption fails.

You use "affectional" and "normative" as if they were antonyms, but they are not. Velleman does not mean to contrast affectional models of marriage and parenthood with normative ones (indeed, one can build models of both that are equally normative and affectional), but with *biological* ones. Affectional marriage and parenthood are rooted in the feelings of participants while biological marriage and parenthood center around procreational ties.

My point in declaring that civil marriage is wholly affectional in practice is that under the current structure of the law the "procreational" definition of marriage has been almost wholly stripped away in most of the United States. Until very recently, for example, a wife could not charge her husband with rape because sex was counted among her "marital duties." Now the taking of marital vows may no longer provide a priori proof of one's willingness to procreate. Inversely, being born out of wedlock no longer carries with it the freight of legal sanctions that once fell upon the "illegitimate," doing away with a whole array of controls intrinsic to a "biological" model of civil marriage.

So, being that procreation no longer controls the legal constitution of civil marriage in our society, it is very difficult to see how same-sex marriage will make the institution any more affectional than it already is. Moreover, Velleman's argument against same-sex marriage hinges finally on the damage it will do to the righs of children-

"Like some donor offspring, I am opposed not just to anonymity in donor conception but to the practice of donor conception itself.....My worry is that a purely affectional conception of marriage will tend to favor a purely affectional conception of parenthood. And I think that denying the importance of biological parenthood leads us to violate fundamental rights of children."

The basic problem with this line of reasoning is that same-sex marriage does no more violence to the biological concept of either marriage or parenthood than the case of infertile heterosexual couples. Infertile hetero couples have as avid an interest in the promotion of donor conception as same-sex couples, and the absolute numbers of people participating in this practice probably balances out on either side. An infertile hetero couple's move to donor conception is rooted in a commitment to AFFECTIONAL marriage (and, by extension, affectional parenthood)- though one of them might become *biological* parents with another partner both remain committed to joint parenthood with THE unique person that they love. Banning same-sex marriage will not remove this constituency militating against the principles Velleman holds so dear, so unless he would extend his marriage ban to include infertile hetero couples he simply cannot argue for the necessity of banning same-sex marriage ON THIS BASIS.

August 18, 2005 12:28 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

I didn't suggest that affectional and normative concepts of marriage are mutually exclusive, but that a *purely* affectional concept of marriage is (unless one wants to define the normative principle there as being "whatever any couple, or group, of married people want"). Yes, Velleman seems to be arguing for a biological/procreative definition of marriage -- but he posits *that* as his normative principle.

I would argue that the existence of infertile couples does less harm to the normative biological/procreative principle of marriage, because they are a subset of a category which can naturally procreate (and couples don't know ahead of time -- without, sometimes, fairly exhaustive testing, and even then, often without absolute certainty --that they are infertle. Same-sex couples do.

Velleman's argument doesn't strike me, as it seems to strike you, as a purely pragmatic one; that is, that he merely wants to "remove the constituency militating against the principles he holds so dear." He seems to be trying to come up with a definition of marriage that is logically in line with "the principles he holds so dear." But that's what we all do, in the end, isn't it? Or do you think *any* two people (or groups of people) should be able to marry?

August 18, 2005 1:38 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"I didn't suggest that affectional and normative concepts of marriage are mutually exclusive, but that a *purely* affectional concept of marriage is [Madman's note: is what?] (unless one wants to define the normative principle there as being 'whatever any couple, or group, of married people want'). Yes, Velleman seems to be arguing for a biological/procreative definition of marriage -- but he posits *that* as his normative principle."

You are making an argument that Velleman doesn't, and with which I'm fairly certain he would not agree. There is no reason why a "purely affectional" concept of marriage necessarily precludes adhering to a normative principle. Many of the most fundamental, non-negotiable, distinctive, and innovative norms of modern European and American marriage are purely affectional. The best example is the one embodied by the fabled words "I do"- in order to be binding a modern American marriage must be entered into by both parties willingly. This was not true in most societies throughout most of human history, but is so central to our normative conception of marriage today that it now completely trumps any of the biological imperatives that once constituted the matrimonial state. It is of no consequence today if a couple can be proven to have produced a child together, they may not be compelled to marry. This is again very different from the state of most societies throughout most of human history, where two people could face grave sanctions if they refused to marry in the face of childbirth.

Velleman knows very well that modern matrimony, even between heterosexuals, is almost wholly affectional. He is not trying to "come up with a definition of marriage that is logically in line with 'the principles he holds so dear,'" he is attempting to defend the last, arbitrary biological determinants of marriage against the tide of modernity and ethical enlightenment. There is only one purely biological* criteria that a couple must meet, they must be of different sexes. Velleman is tendentiously attempting to insist that conserving this very arbitrary constituent will somehow (through a series of nth-degree removes) help safeguard the rights of certain children, but this is demonstrably untrue (for all the reasons I've listed above). Yielding up this last, arbitrary, anemic, and frankly very porous (surgical sex change is now a modern possibility, after all) parameter will make marriage "purely affectional" but no less normative than it ever was. Conserving this rule violates the deeper norms that our society has come to value more fundamentally in matrimony, thus lifting the ban on same-sex marriage will make marriage a much more just and integral institution.

*I know what you are thinkging- incest! But the ban against incestual marriage is not purely biological, it is partly affectional. As a society we (rightly, I think it may be argued) view romantic love between blood relatives as psychologically detrimental. You might argue that the ban on incest is instituted out of concern for the health of any potential offspring, but this is manifestly untrue. With the dissolution of the legal sanctions against "illegitimacy" the state has effectively lost its power to influence who has offspring under what conditions- preventing blood relatives from marrying in no way precludes them from having children.

August 18, 2005 5:45 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Perhaps we're operating under different definitions of the word "affectional." What's yours?

In a purely affectional model of marriage, why should the potential "pyschological harm" be a factor in incestuous marriages when we presume we are dealing with two consenting adults who have made a "purely affectional decision"? Are you suggesting that we should allow, say, an adult brother and sister to marry? And I ask you again -- what is your objection to polygamy? Why is number less arbitrary than sex?

Finally, as to "defending the last, arbitrary biological determinants of marriage against the tide of modernity and ethical enlightenment," you're kind of jumping the gun in terms of the tide of modernity and "ethical enlightenment," aren't you? It seems that whenever the issue has been put to a vote, same-sex marriage has lost. So what, exactly, do you mean by the "tide of modernity and ethical enlightenment"? I would argue -- in line with Jennifer Roback Morse's recent article in Policy Review on marriage and the limits of contract -- that marriage is an organic social instituion (not one that was invented or imposed by the state); as such, it seems, society as a whole must be willing to accept "the tide of modernity and ethical enlightenment" in order to actually demonstrate that the "tide of modernity," yada yada yada, is flowing in the direction you imply.

August 18, 2005 8:23 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

In other words, I am taking "affectional" to mean characterized by emotion or feeling.

A purely affectional model of marriage would thus be either:

a) A model whereby any two consenting persons or group of persons could enter into a marriage based on their emotions --based on their feelings about what constitutes marriage.

b) A model whereby the limits (if any) of the marriage contract are defined by the "affectional orientation" of society as a whole -- by what the collective "feels" is correct.

But what am I missing? What are the other ways of defining a "purely affectional" model of marriage? Option A, in my opinion, can only be normative in the most trivial sense (rather like the Bart Simpson "be like the boy," "I do what I feel" sense of normative). Option B, I suppose, could be normative, but it seems to me that you aren't willing to accept the norms that appear to be currently in favor.

August 18, 2005 8:50 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

I don't know, I think I've shown very clearly how one of the central norms of modern marriage is purely affectional, I don't understand what you're not picking up on.

Moreover, you are now are off in territory very alien to Velleman and his concerns. I'm happy to discuss the whole array of questions surrounding the family rights of same-sex couples, but I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly that Velleman is counterposing "affectional" and "biological" concepts of marriage, NOT "affectional" and "normative" concepts of marriage.

I've given you my sense of "affectional marriage" above- one rooted in the feelings of the participants. You persistently conflate "affectional marriage" with "subjective marriage," but not only is this inaccurate, Velleman clearly does not do likewise. His whole argument centers around the danger of a purely affectional model of parenthood- how would either of your definitions of "affectional" help make sense of Velleman's argument with regard to parenthood?

You keep resisting a fact which seems obvious to me- that an institution rooted in the feelings of the participants (as modern marriage almost wholly is) can still be built upon (indeed, it must be, in order to be socially operative at all) external, observable, and sanctionable instantiations of those feelings. In "affectional parenthood" those external manifestations are the care, protection, and nurturing that express correct parental concern and which aim at producing a sense of security and well-being in the child (in other words, the advocate of affectional parenthood holds that a person's true parent is the one who reared, not the one who merely conceived him or her). In affectional marriage those outward signs include (but are not limited to) the words "I do" that express the willingness of both partners to embark upon the marital bond and the sexual fidelity that is held as a hallmark of mutual respect, trust, and love. In neither of these cases are the institutions reducible to "whatever the participants think it is" or "whatever society says it is."

Affectional marriage is an exclusive bond of mutual love and trust between two people, the attributes and outward signs of which can be enumerated and objectively sanctioned. Incest is excluded from that bond because the love between close kin is incommensurate with the love between spouses. Polygamy is excluded from that bond because it is diluted and attenuated by inclusion of more than two people.

As for your last observation that marriage is an "organic social institution," I don't know how anything I have said contradicts that fact. "Organic institutions" evolve, and marriage as an institution has clearly been evolving very rapidly and very profoundly in the last few centuries. Where for most of human history marriage was a relationship between master and subordinate and was an institution in which participation was compulsory for one or both members, marriage has evolved into an institution rooted in equality and individual personal autonomy. That is the "tide of modernity and enlightenment" to which I referred, and is the evidence upon which I have every confidence that the next "organic" step in the evolution of marriage as an institution will be a general lifting of the ban on same-sex marriage, because (whether the majority realizes yet it or not) that ban violates the norms of equality and personal autonomy upon which the current institution of marriage is built. Civil marriage as it is restricted now perpetuates paradox and injustice, and it is just that type of dissonance that impels the evolution of organic institutions in good time.

August 18, 2005 10:20 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"I've demonstrated pretty clearly that Velleman is counterposing 'affectional' and 'biological' concepts of marriage, NOT 'affectional' and 'normative' concepts of marriage."

-- I don't think so. If I accept that an affectional concept of marriage may also be normative, why is a biological concept of marriage not also able to be normative?

"Affectional marriage is an exclusive bond of mutual love and trust between two people, the attributes and outward signs of which can be enumerated and objectively sanctioned. Incest is excluded from that bond because the love between close kin is incommensurate with the love between spouses. Polygamy is excluded from that bond because it is diluted and attenuated by inclusion of more than two people."

-- But there are all sorts of marriages in which that bond is already diluted and attenuated ("open" marriages, marriages of convenience, marriages in which one partner marries for financial benefit). Would you exlude those couples from marrying? Then why exclude polygamous couples, especially since, though I agree with you about polygamy, the attenuation of the bond is not something that can really be proven, and will likely be vehemently denied by those who are, in fact, in polygamous relationships. How do you know that your idea of an attenuated bond isn't just a residual prejudice that the "tide of enlightenment" hasn't quite caught up with?

"That is the "tide of modernity and enlightenment" to which I referred, and is the evidence upon which I have every confidence that the next "organic" step in the evolution of marriage as an institution will be a general lifting of the ban on same-sex marriage, because (whether the majority realizes yet it or not) that ban violates the norms of equality and personal autonomy upon which the current institution of marriage is built. Civil marriage as it is restricted now perpetuates paradox and injustice, and it is just that type of dissonance that impels the evolution of organic institutions in good time."

-- All well and good, and I actually pretty much agree that the next "organic" step might well be the lifting of the ban -- but that step can only be "organic" if it is reached by society in general and not imposed by a court.

August 18, 2005 10:53 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

And by the way, if, as you say, "in neither of these cases [affectional parenthood or affectional marriage] are the institutions reducible to 'whatever the participants think it is' or 'whatever society says it is'" then who, exactly, *does* decide what the "external, observable, and sanctionable instantiations of those feelings" are? If saying "I do" to marital fidelity is an observable instantiation of that feeling, WHY is it so? Where does the notion of fidelity as a normative principle of marriage arise, and why should it remain?

August 18, 2005 11:03 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"If I accept that an affectional concept of marriage may also be normative, why is a biological concept of marriage not also able to be normative?"

Biological concepts of marriage are certainly normative (it is difficult to imagine how they could be otherwise), but it is not their *normative* status that Velleman is counterposing to the qualities of affectional marriage. Velleman is not arguing (as you were insisting earlier) that biological concepts of marriage are *more normative* than affectional concepts of marriage. Rather, he perceives that the norms intrinsic to affectional models of marriage and parenthood are in tension with the rights of children, thus he would have us guard against having either marriage or parenthood slide too far toward the "affectional" side of the spectrum. I have been arguing, contra Velleman, that a)lifting the ban on same-sex marriage will not make marriage slide significantly further toward the "affectional" side than it already has; b)the conservation of the ban on same-sex marriage will not safeguard children's rights any better than a ban on the marriage of infertile hetero couples would, thus it is unfair and arbitrary to continue this injustice on that basis.

"[T]here are all sorts of marriages in which that bond is already diluted and attenuated ("open" marriages, marriages of convenience, marriages in which one partner marries for financial benefit). Would you exlude those couples from marrying? Then why exclude polygamous couples, especially since, though I agree with you about polygamy, the attenuation of the bond is not something that can really be proven, and will likely be vehemently denied by those who are, in fact, in polygamous relationships."

Any institution is open to abuse and includes loopholes for those who would adhere to its letter and violate its spirit. The best any society can hope for is to construct its institutions so as to minimize the potential for abuse without compromising principles of basic fairness. As for the case of polygamy, I don't think that principles of basic fairness are compromised in that instance. However secure and benefitial those involved in a polygamous relationship might feel their bond is, they cannot argue that fairness requires society to give their bond the same sanction as marriage. The power of marriage to promote monogamy/monoandry is of demonstrable benefit to society and would be impaired by such a move, harming all in the community equally. Moreover, marriage has economic and social aspects that are not accounted for in Velleman's affectional-biological analysis. However intangible the affectional aspects of the bilateral marriage bond might be (and I don't feel they are all that intangible) the intensity of the economic and social bond implicit in bilateral matrimony would be quantifiably attenuated by its expansion to three or more people.

"And by the way, if, as you say, "in neither of these cases [affectional parenthood or affectional marriage] are the institutions reducible to 'whatever the participants think it is' or 'whatever society says it is'" then who, exactly, *does* decide what the "external, observable, and sanctionable instantiations of those feelings" are? If saying "I do" to marital fidelity is an observable instantiation of that feeling, WHY is it so?"

Accepting that marriage is an "organic social institution" makes the observation that marital norms arise and evolve through a complex process of negotiation within society at large tautological. This fact is what makes marriage as an institution "social." But this is different than conceeding that marriage is "whatever society says it is," if this were so marriage as an institution would hardly be "organic." The organic quality of an institution comes from the deliberative search for grounding principles that animates the social negotiation whereby it is established or amended.

You assert that the organic integrity of marriage may only be preserved if it is amended by the legislature rather than the courts. This of course begs the question of what makes an "organic institution" "organic." Is it the institutional process by which it is established or changed, or is it the underlying principles upon which it is based? For the sake of our nation and the smooth operation of its institutions I would like to see the ban on same-sex marriage lifted by the legislative branch (indeed, my fondest dream is to see our constitution amended to universally safeguard the family rights of same-sex couples). But to my mind the right of same-sex couples to marry is as natural and inalienable as the right of women to vote or the right of people regardless of race to be free. If the right of women to vote were still denied and could be restored by judicial fiat would you object? Was the Emancipation Proclamation inorganic because it originated in the executive rather than the legislative branch of government?

August 19, 2005 11:56 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"However secure and benefitial those involved in a polygamous relationship might feel their bond is, they cannot argue that fairness requires society to give their bond the same sanction as marriage."

-- But of course they can, Madman. You might disagree with the position, but it can be argued, and it can -- in my opinion -- be argued effectively.

"Accepting that marriage is an "organic social institution" makes the observation that marital norms arise and evolve through a complex process of negotiation within society at large tautological. This fact is what makes marriage as an institution "social." But this is different than conceeding that marriage is "whatever society says it is," if this were so marriage as an institution would hardly be "organic." The organic quality of an institution comes from the deliberative search for grounding principles that animates the social negotiation whereby it is established or amended."

-- Is that an answer to the question, or not? What, exactly, is the "deliberative search for grounding principles that animates the social negotiation whereby it is established or amended"? I'm not being snide -- I'm just not really sure what you mean by this. I would argue that the "deliberative search for grounding principles" occurs only after marriage has been established as an organic civil institution, and that it is established in practice: who is married, and who is recognized as being married? And yes, that practice and the process of recognizing that practice are changing (more and more people are beginning to recognize gay couples as "married"). But I don't see how the "deliberative search for grounding principles" that you describe can happen except by general social consensus.

I don't know whether I believe that marriage in general is a natural and inalienable right.

As to the questions about women's suffrage and the Emancipation Proclamation -- I would certainly not object to a court imposing a right to vote for women, but I hope I would be intellectually honest enough to admit that it didn't happen by an organic process, and that my satisfaction with the outcome wasn't based on its adherence to "organic" principles. As for the Emancipation Proclamation, ... I'd say it was purchased by the blood of hundreds of thousands of slaves and Union soldiers, and that it *was* therefore organic (organic processes can sometimes be sudden and violent).

August 19, 2005 12:54 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

Hmmm....There is a lot to sort through here. I must admit I'm having difficulty distinguishing between what you call "general social consensus" and your (B) definition of "affectional marriage" a few posts upthread. How does your "general social consensus" provide a normative standard other than "whatever society wants?"

Institutions are created through social negotiation, not social consensus. "Consensus" is a static point that no society ever truly reaches, negotiation is a dynamic process in which any cultural, social, or political institution is constantly implicated. Any institution, especially one as ecumenical and fundamental as marriage, is constantly being challenged, deliberated, affirmed or amended. Each new instance of marriage provides a new context in which the negotiation proceeds, even if the uncontroversial result of that marriage is to affirm the status quo. All of the marriages and all of the verbal and written exchanges over the content and significance of particular marriages or matrimony in general that take place in a given society constitute the "deliberative search for grounding principles" that constantly produce and reproduce, shape and reshape the institution of marriage for society at large. The "grounding principles" that emerge from this negotiation and the manner in which they are selectively applied in practice is as much a product of the cultural, economic, and institutional distribution of power within a society as any genuine "consensus" measured in per capita terms.

For example- Ancient Chinese Confucian tradition holds that a union between two people of the same surname is incestuous, one can marry one's first cousin on one's mother's side but not a person with whom one has no blood relation who has the same surname. In South Korea this principle was encoded in law (and may well still be- I don't know whether the law has been changed), which created a great deal of difficulty in a country where 80% of the populace is distributed among only 3 or 4 surnames. Tens of thousands of Koreans who fell in love with people of the same surname were unable to acquire state sanction for their union. Periodically some faction within the Korean government would move to change the law (which was all but universally unpopular), at which point the classically trained Confucian scholars of Korea (a tiny minority who enjoy immense social prestige) would threaten suicide en masse in protest of what they perceived to be an abomination, thus derailing the attempted reform.

This example demonstrates that 1)the "organic" processes by which an institution such as marriage is negotiated in society may often have little to do with "general social consensus;" 2)though these same "organic" processes produce norms, tney cannot be relied upon to spontaneously produce norms that are just or right- they have no more moral authority than the "guiding principles" to which they give rise.

Take your example of the Civil War and Emancipation. If the Confederacy had won the war and slavery had persisted for another 50 or 100 years or up until today, would that process have been any less "organic" than what actually transpired? Would its being "organic" make it any more just or right?

Whether the lifting of the ban on same-sex marriage transpires in the courts or in the legislature has little bearing on how "organic" that process is to our society. Moreover, how it transpires has only tangential bearing on whether it is right or just.

August 19, 2005 9:43 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Madman, when I say "social consensus" I don't mean anything much different from "whatever society says it is" -- which is, in my opinion, less confusing than the definintion of complex social negotiations and deliberative processes which you have offered. You claimed that marriage involved "external, observable, and sanctionable instantiations of those feelings [the feelings of the parties to the marriage contract]." Leaving aside some confusion about how an instantiation of "feelings" occurs (perhaps I'm being too literal in my understanding of instantiation), your description of how and why any particular marriage is an instantiation is rather vague. What is the object template or type that any particular marriage is an instantiation of? Your defense of the deliberative process of social negotioation is eloquent, but I fail to see how it amounts to anything more than an assertion that *your* particular understanding of the normative/grounding principles of marriage is the correct one; in other words, your argument seems to be that the deliberative process by which marriage becomes marriage in a society is complex and mysterious, but you happen to know that it's all leading in the direction you think best. It may be, but I'm not entirely convinced by your proof.

August 20, 2005 2:12 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

We've wandered all over the map at this point. This whole megillah started because you found Velleman's take on the same-sex marriage debate "interesting." Velleman was not arguing against same-sex marriage on the basis of "general consensus," he was attempting to demonstrate that lifting the ban on same-sex marriage would distort or weaken a normative principle that the conservation of the ban would preserve. I feel fairly confident in venturing to guess (given the care and effort with which he constructed what was ultimately a failed argument) that, whatever he may feel about same-sex marriage, Velleman would rest content with maintaining the ban on the premise of "general social consensus."

I also think that he would agree with me that "general social consensus" generates no normative principle worthy of inspection or debate. To the extent that normative principles structure the institution of marriage today, they are generated by the complex process of social negotiation I described.

Please note- I am not arguing that the PROCESS I described is itself in any way normative. I only meant to argue was that what made such a process (and the institutions which grow out of it) "organic" is its capacity to generate normative principles for inspection and debate, and that without such a process being operative marriage wouldn't merit being called "an organic social institution."

In other words, it will never be valid to say that the same-sex ban (or any aspect of marriage) should be conserved "because that is what the majority dictates," as this is never how marriage or any other organic social institution has been maintained.

August 20, 2005 5:06 PM  
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August 20, 2005 6:37 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

1)But, Madman, I'm not really arguing that the normative principle is *generated* by social consensus, but that social consensus is *at least* as good a way of determining what principle has been generated as the courts. What, exactly, are you proposing as the mechanism by which the normative principle that has been generated by these complex and mysterious social negotiations is identified and defined? You suggest that *some* normative principle exists, but you don't seem willing to tell me how that principle should be determined.

2) I still think Velleman's argument is interesting. If one accepts both the biological principle and the restrictions he would place on donorship and anonymous adoptions, it makes sense -- in my opinion -- to make categorical restrictions to marriage based on sex rather than on fertility. You disagree, but you haven't conclusively proven Velleman's position ultimately fails or that his line-drawing makes less sense than yours.

August 20, 2005 6:38 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

I'm not even going to address your #2, as that would feel too much like chasing my own tail. I've pointed to all of the places where Velleman's argument collapses under the weight of contradiction, if you want to continue to find it "interesting" that's your prerogative.

Still, it is something of a paradox that you would defend Velleman on the one hand and continue to plead "general consensus" on the other. Do you think Velleman's views reflect some general consensus? If we gave Velleman's post out to the whole nation and held a plebescite, would it produce a meaningful result?

My point is that Velleman's arguments and any influence they might have on shaping the institution of marriage are much more exemplary of what I describe as the "social negotiation" whereby marriage is established and maintained than your imagined "general consensus." As a philosopher Velleman doesn't hold that marriage may conform to whatever shape society at large sets for it, or at least he does not act as if that is what he has to contribute to the situation. Velleman argues as if the normative parameters of marriage may be reasoned out on the basis of abstract notions of justice and the common good. In this respect (and few others) I heartily agree with him. Whatever the state of marriage is today, and however "organic" the processes by which it got that way, that doesn't make it right a priori. If as thinking individuals we can demonstrate that the ban on same-sex marriage is unjust, unfair, and harmful to the common good then no amount of "general consensus" will make it otherwise.

Perhaps you might say, "there is no way to definitively prove what you propose." If that were so, why would you even entertain arguments like Velleman's to the contrary? Are you a philosophical relativist? You seem to be clinging to the argument that as "an organic social institution" marriage is not subject to abstract ethical criticsm. Would that be true in the case of another "organic social institution" such as slavery? Or would it even be true of marriage in some past era or society where marriage gave a man the right to beat his wife or expose his unwanted children to die? If those forms of marriage, which evolved as "organically" as our modern form of matrimony, could be deemed unjust or inhumane through abstract ethical analysis why is our current institution above such criticism?

You describe the "social negotiation" I described as mysterious, but it is not mysterious at all. It is going on right now, in the exchange you and I are having over the internet. It is carried on in private conversations, in the print and broadcast media, in legislative debates, and yes, in the courts. This proces of debate and deliberation is the same one that transformed marriage into the institution grounded in equality and personal autonomy it is today, and in the end I predict it will lift the ban on same-sex marriage which is so antithetical to the liberal principles on which our community is founded.

You worry that this act will finally be carried out by the courts. This prospect distresses me for the friction it will cause within our already harried state institutions, but it does not arouse my ultimate opposition. Having the ban lifted by the courts would make the change no less "organic" to our society (if you object to the authority the courts have in our society you have to take your complaint to the Founders). You seem to think that there is something special about the institution of marriage that would make this change wrong if imposed by the courts. But many of the changes to modern marriage were enacted by court precedent (the lifting of the ban on charges of marital rape, for example). If it were still the case that a husband was empowered by matrimony to beat his wife and this was still a point of "general consensus" would you insist that the courts would be wrong to change that?

You can (attempt to) argue on other grounds that same-sex marriage is wrong in principle (as Velleman does), but you can't just shout "general consensus" and call "game over."

August 20, 2005 8:30 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Who, pray tell, is shouting "general consensus" and calling game over? You've expended a lot of effort and verbiage in your past couple of comments and yet you still seem unable to answer my questions and umwilling to understand my point, which is that the "deliberative process" you praise (conversations like the one we're having, etc.) have, finally, to be expressed in public institutions and law -- that is, if the marriage vows are an "external, observable, sanctionable instantiation" of *anything*. As I said in my previous comment, social consensus is *at least* as good a way as the courts to determine the normative principles that will be expressed in law.

"As a philosopher Velleman doesn't hold that marriage may conform to whatever shape society at large sets for it, or at least he does not act as if that is what he has to contribute to the situation. Velleman argues as if the normative parameters of marriage may be reasoned out on the basis of abstract notions of justice and the common good. In this respect (and few others) I heartily agree with him."

-- Where have I suggested that I'm opposed to reasoning things out based on abstract notions of justice and the common good? You seem to be arguing that once you and Velleman and the philosopher-kings of the world reason it out, we'll have our newly minted and transformed concept of marriage ready made for codification. But we don't live in Plato's Republic. My question is about who, ultimately, will be the arbiter of that debate; it seems to me that there are only two possible choices -- the courts or the "people" (or "the people" as represented by democratically elected legislatures). In this instance -- and especially since, in my opinion, constitutional rights are not being violated -- I prefer "the people." And to say that doesn't mean that I am implicated in every instance where the courts proved more "enlightened" than the people, unless *your* position is implicated in every terrible decision of the courts, or do you think there haven't been any?

"If as thinking individuals we can demonstrate that the ban on same-sex marriage is unjust, unfair, and harmful to the common good then no amount of 'general consensus' will make it otherwise."

-- Who decides that you've made your case? God? Larry Summers? The New York Times? To whom is the case being demonstrated? And I wasn't aware that believing that asbtract notions of justice and the common good can't, ultimately, be proven makes me a philosophical, or any other kind, of relativist. Is that how philosophical relativism is defined -- as the belief that moral/philosophical propositions are ultimately *unprovable*? I guess I am a philosophical relativist then . . . but I would like to ask you to provide me with an instance where any concept of justice or the common good has been definitively proven by any philosopher.

August 20, 2005 11:21 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"As I said in my previous comment, social consensus is *at least* as good a way as the courts to determine the normative principles that will be expressed in law."

I guess I just don't understand what your concern is here. Yes, "social consensus" and "the courts" are equally "good" to the ends you describe, in that either may ultimately be right or wrong. The courts upheld slavery for decades, social consensus sanctioned all manner of oppression against women and minorities. But if lifting the ban on same-sex marriage is right (which it is) then no amount of social consensus or degree of judicial activism can make it wrong, and if the courts lift the ban well goody for the courts.

"In this instance -- and especially since, in my opinion, constitutional rights are not being violated -- I prefer 'the people.'"

We just keep talking past each other, god pity anyone outside the two of us who is reading this. Prefer the people all you like, that's not the issue. Velleman certainly refuses to prefer the people, his concern is whether there is some logical principle on which the ban against same-sex marriage may be defended. He attempted to find one and failed. If you feel philosophically committed to the conservation of the ban (though you haven't really demonstrated to me on what basis) then work the system- write the courts, lobby congress, get out there and petition to ratify Dubya's constitutional amendment. The "constitutional rights" issue is a red herring. No constitutional rights were violated by either slavery or the ban on women's suffrage- that didn't make them any less unjust. This is the question that every citizen is obligated to ask and answer for his or herself- is the ban on same-sex marriage just? Velleman argued yes, I argue no, you keep dodging around the issue and (seemingly) attempting to suggest that "social consensus" has some bearing on the question.

"Who decides that you've made your case?"

Each of us has to decide that for him or herself, and act accordingly.

"I guess I am a philosophical relativist then . . . but I would like to ask you to provide me with an instance where any concept of justice or the common good has been definitively proven by any philosopher."

I never claimed that "abstract notions of justice" could be proven, only that ethical questions might be decided on their basis. Would you really have difficulty in chosing between Paine and King George III on the question of democracy? Thoreau and Jefferson Davis on the question of slavery? Hanna Arendt and Hitler on the question of anti-semitism? This is relativism of a kind, I conceed, as the right is perceived in juxtaposition to the wrong, but a thoroughgoing relativist would insist that no choice may be made at all. The question of same-sex marriage presents moral alternatives just as stark requiring conscientious and reasoned choices on the part of each citizen. Are you seriously insisting that you are content to have your convictions decided by a straw poll?

August 21, 2005 3:41 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Madman,

My point about relativism was precisely that it wasn't a matter of not being able to prove right versus wrong. However much you logically argue abstract notions of justice and the social good, whether George III or Thomas Paine was right about democracy comes down to what you beleive, not what you can prove. But you seem to want to be able to say that the rightness of same-sex marriage is as logically evident as the rightness of Hannah Arendt over Hitler (notwithstanding her relationship with that fascist Martin Heidegger). I don't think you've made your case.

"Are you seriously insisting that you are content to have your convictions decided by a straw poll?"

I'm content to have the "issue" (not my convictions) decided by the electorate, because I think it's not ultimately a matter of justice or injustice.

August 21, 2005 11:39 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"But you seem to want to be able to say that the rightness of same-sex marriage is as logically evident as the rightness of Hannah Arendt over Hitler (notwithstanding her relationship with that fascist Martin Heidegger). I don't think you've made your case."

I haven't been trying to make such a case, I set out to demonstrate that Velleman's arguments don't hold water and got sidetracked by you. The question of same-sex marriage is, in fact, as self-evident as the one you reference, though none of what I've written so far really scratches the surface of why that is so.

You are correct that existentially, for each person, what is right boils down to what one believes, not what can be proven beyond any doubt. But beliefs can (arguably should) be formed and shaped by logical argumentation and investigation, and certainly in the public forum the question of whose beliefs should be made law is open to logical analysis. If you didn't believe that why would you take any interest in arguments like those of Velleman's? Why couldn't you just say "everyone act on their beliefs" and be done with it?

You talked about intellectual honesty before, so let's open a window and let that breeze into this discussion. The only normative principle upon which an iron-clad and coherent logical case for the ban on same sex marriage can be made is the immorality of same-sex love. Yes, many people believe that this is so (and many in America likely always will) and yes, it can not be absolutely discursively disproven (though it cannot be discursively proven either, just as the morality of heterosexual love cannot be absolutely proven either). But let's be clear- this is the normative principle that is instituted by the ban on same-sex marriage, and this is norm that opponents of same-sex marriage are fighting to defend.

If that is what you consider "justice" then I would have to conceed that your position is wholly integral (though I would still disagree with it). You would no doubt protest that I am wrong- that there are normative principles other than the immorality of same-sex love on which the ban might be conserved. Here is where you have not made your case. Arguments like Velleman's are attempts to end-run that debate and get around the question of the moral status of same-sex love. But I have yet to see such an argument that is logically cohesive or persuasive, in the end their advocates all collapse back upon some version of "because society says so."

August 21, 2005 2:26 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"But beliefs can (arguably should) be formed and shaped by logical argumentation and investigation, and certainly in the public forum the question of whose beliefs should be made law is open to logical analysis. If you didn't believe that why would you take any interest in arguments like those of Velleman's?"

-- I do believe that, Madman, but what does that have to do with it? Where have I suggested that the questions of whose beliefs should be made law isn't open to logical analysis?

I do disagree with the point you make in the rest of your comments, but I'm getting pretty weary (where do you get all the free time?). Let me just point out that the the absolute certainty with which you reject the argument for polygamy (based on premises that are by no means conclusively demonstrated) seems mirrored by the absolute certainty with which you reject arguments against same-sex marriage. And the crux of your objection to Velleman seems to be that the presence of infertile heterosexual couples does as much violence to the biological concept of marriage as would the presence of homosexual couples. I have suggested that that is simply not the case, especially as a matter of establishing normative parameters for marriage based on biological categories. That you disagree with me here doesn't mean that I have failed to make a case or that you have definitively made yours.

August 21, 2005 6:00 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"I do believe that, Madman, but what does that have to do with it? Where have I suggested that the questions of whose beliefs should be made law isn't open to logical analysis?"

What use is logical analysis if in the end the only legitimate path by which norms may become law is "general consensus?" You won't seem to allow that logical analysis could prove the general consensus wrong, or that it would matter if it did.

"Let me just point out that the the absolute certainty with which you reject the argument for polygamy (based on premises that are by no means conclusively demonstrated) seems mirrored by the absolute certainty with which you reject arguments against same-sex marriage."

My certainty in either case is only problematic if I'm wrong, which you have by no means conclusively demonstrated.

"I have suggested that that is simply not the case, especially as a matter of establishing normative parameters for marriage based on biological categories."

This has little to do with my critique of Velleman's argument, as it is an argument that Velleman himself does not make. As for "establishing normative patterns for marriage based on biological categories," one can't deny that insisting that a married couple contain one partner from either sex does so. What you haven't shown is how perpetuating those "normative patterns" does anyone any good. Certainly if we are to relegate millions of our compatriots to second-class citizenship by barring them from one of the most fundamental institutions of our society there must be some logical justification. One certainly can't argue that it will help promote or conserve a particular model of parent-child family. Maintaining the ban on same-sex marriage has not prevented an ever-increasing number of children from growing up in single-parent homes that break this "normative pattern." Unless you can demonstrate that lifting the ban on same-sex marriage would cause more hetero couples to break up, then the net result of lifting the ban on same-sex marriage would be an increase in the absolute numbers of two-parent households. Can you seriously argue that a child who has two parents of the same sex is worse off than a child who has only one parent left over from a "normative" marriage?

August 21, 2005 8:21 PM  

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An Open Letter to the NCAA

Here it is, from University of North Dakota President Charles Kupchella.

(Hat tip: Hugh Hewitt, who has posted the transcript of his interview with Kupchella here.]

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Blogger stewdog said...

A voice of reason in the darkness.
That school has the best uniform in all of college sports, and it was designed by an Indian, er Native American, er. . whatthehellever.

August 16, 2005 8:55 PM  

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The LA Times is intentionally hiding their bias from the new media

I had wanted to mention this earlier today but simply got too busy.

I've been noticing a trend in the reporting of the LA Times. I've been tracking this for a while and it seems that the actual, physical distribution paper that is delivered to homes often contains pictures and articles of a more biased nature which do not appear on their website.

Case in point:

The headline picture above the fold in today's Los Angeles Times dealt with the forced Gaza pullout. And what image, pray tell, did they use to depict this event? A frightened, crying child perhaps? A terrified elderly woman confronted by uniformed eviction notice totting men? Nope. The image was of a disheveled, pot-bellied man in boxers, a woman in leopard skin undergarments with a cigarette dangling from her fingers, and a baby sitting nearby inhaling the toxic smoke -- all sitting in chairs on their tiled patio like some kind of suburban trash straight out of "Raising Arizona" -- sneering vulgarly at two uniformed men standing by unmenacingly.

This picture is not included in their online pictorial of the pullout (which includes pictures more sympathetic to the Jewish citizens). Is it possible they're intentionally including such images in their distribution paper but leaving it off their website to avoid the wrath of the blogosphere?

Just a thought.

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What hath Cindy wrought?

More stories like this one will probably be showing up now. To anyone who wants to criticize the Mahers, I say . . . HOW DARE YOU?!!!

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How dare you, Jonah?

Jonah Goldberg takes on the "how dare you" brigade.

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Art, Science, Theory

Over at 2Blowhards, Michael Blowhard comments astutely on the arts, "theory," science (biology, especially), and the blogosphere. He notes the way that the internet has allowed the "unanointed" to storm the stronghold of the marinated-in-theory academic literary community, and he points to some interesting work that's being done in biology which might have some refreshing applications to the study of the arts. Mosey on over and read the post if you've got a few minutes.

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30 silver coins still go a long way

"I know the bishop and dean argue it is fiction - and it might even be brilliant fiction - but it is against the very essence of what we believe."

So says Sister Mary Michael, a nun who is protesting the filming of "The Da Vinci Code" in England's Lincoln Cathedral. The dean of the Cathedral, however, objected less to its use in the film when its producers coughed up the dough.

I tend to agree with the good Sister. If you want to make a film which (intentionally or not) undermines the person of Jesus and the Christian faith, don't do it in an edifice built for worshiping Him and exercising that faith. I've said fairly recently that convictions tend to bow to the almighty dollar and it seems to be the case here as well. Shame on the dean.

Hollywood has made open war on Christianity. I don't care how much money they were offering, I wouldn't allow them to enter into a Christian church just so they can defecate on the altar. And I don't think Jesus would either.

And, as for the argument that it's just "fiction" or just a "movie", I agree. So go take your money and build a "fictional" church to play your pretend games.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

Funny. I read that article and thought the same thing you did. And I say this despite the fact that I actually read and kind of enjoyed The Da Vinci Code.

August 16, 2005 10:49 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

HOW DARE YOU enjoy that book.

August 16, 2005 11:32 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Never read it but I'm sure it's a good and entertaining read. I don't have an objection to the book, just an objection to the Church facilitating its anti-Christian message.

What's next? "Mein Kempf" filmed in the Temple Mount?

August 16, 2005 11:41 AM  

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The Great Raid

Maybe this will be the one non-family-film I get out to see this summer.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Stewdog saw it yesterday. It was good. Agree it had some flaws, but it was on old fashioned movie about an important historical event. I wished that Hollywood made more of them.

August 16, 2005 11:34 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Just read the Powerline article. Frankly one of the criticisms that I had of the film is that is soft pedaled the cruelty and visciousness of the Japanese Military. There wasn't a beheading in the entire film. My father's ship, a seaplane tender, lost some pilots to the blade. And if there is any doubt about the atrocities committed by the Japanese, read The Rape Of Nanking.
(Lest we forget)

August 16, 2005 1:52 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

That's interesting, Stewdog. I have no proof of this theory, but I have an idea that while most high school (and even college) graduates would be able to cite the injustices perpetrated by the U.S. against Japanese-American citizens in WW2, very few would be aware of the brutality with which the Japanese abused and slaughtered both POW's and the civilian populations they conquered during the war. [And, for God's sake, NO THAT DOESN'T MEAN I THINK THE INTERNMENT OF JAPANESE AMERICANS WAS OKAY, JUST TO HEAD MADMAN OFF AT THE PASS.]

August 16, 2005 2:51 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Whe I look at that issue in my 2005 glasses, it was obviously wrong. But I refuse to judge the US Government on the internment issue because I wasn't alive at the time.
Just wondering. How about a movie in which there was no internment and Japanese agents successfully engage in sabotage that turns the tide of the war.

August 16, 2005 4:26 PM  

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Bush Lied and People. . .

Got Divorced. So Saint Cindy Sheehan will soon be an eligible bachelorette. I smell a reality show.

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I'm sure she'll find a way to blame Bush and the Jews for this too.

August 16, 2005 8:25 AM  

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Grief, Inc.

This article by Bruce Thornton at Victor Davis Hanson's site nicely encapsulates what I've found especially annoying about the canonization of "Mother Sheehan" -- the contemporary Oprah-esque notion that one's grief, one's status as victim, imparts some special insight or "moral authority." Thornton suggests it's a symptom of pampered Western self-absorption, and I agree. [And, yes, I suppose I'm perpetuating the self-absorption in my own tiny way with this post.]

I pray that the poor woman (along with all the grieving mothers of the world) can be comforted in her grief. But the media frenzy surrounding her vigil strikes me as unseemly in its implication that it's only the suffering of people like us that matters.

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

"Robert Pape thinks we should withdraw from the region completely and "secure our interests in oil," as he put it, from a distance. If we take his advice we won't end the threat from our enemies. We'll give them military victories for free. And we'll throw our liberal Muslim friends to the Islamist wolf. It's the most disgraceful and despicable thing we could possibly do, not to mention one of the dumbest. Empowered liberal-democratic Muslims with guns will defeat the Islamists in the end. We can't do it without them, and they can't do it if they're languishing in mass graves and dungeons."

Amen, brother.

August 16, 2005 9:20 AM  

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"Human nature is what we were put into this world to rise above ..."

But, as John Derbyshire points out, in times of "total war," we humans routinely doff the sheep's clothing of civilization and morality. That's not nice, says Derbyshire; it's just the way it is, and -- unfortunately -- the way it will always be.

Much as conservatives like Paul Wolfowitz, Charles Krauthammer, and Victor Davis Hanson appeal to my heart (and my head), Derbyshire gets me in the gut. That's not nice, and it's not elegant; it's just the way it is.

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Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

Hmmmm....If John Derbyshire gets you in the gut you might want to see a gastroenterologist. I read the post you linked to and it was a bunch of tripe. "Total war" is a very recent phenomenon in human history, whatever J.D. might claim to know about early hunter-gatherers. The current research on PTSD demonstrates that nothing in human nature prepares an individual for the experience of war, and that however cruel and barbaric a person may act in combat only a sociopath is left emotionally unscarred by the experience. Moreover, nothing the U.S. is experiencing now even approaches "total war," the eagerness with which guys like J.D. rush to portray our current crisis as a "total war" (and his "ho-hum we'll have to raze cities but what can you do" posturing) frankly gives me the creeps.

August 15, 2005 8:34 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Madman,

I think you're misunderstanding Derbyshire.

Where does Derbyshire characterize our "current crisis" as total war? What do YOU know about early hunter-gatherers, such that you can seem to dismiss his references to the violence of those societies? Can you direct me to the research on PTSD which makes claims about the constitution of human nature? And, what, after all, does research on PTSD have to do with Derbyshire's point, which is not that human beings aren't affected by modern warfare, but that some wars or violent conflicts reach a tipping point in atrocities such that the object becomes to "crush" and humiliate the "other tribe" and that such a response is consistent with his view of human nature?

Derbyshire's post is meant to explain why men like Paul Tibbets (who is a war hero, to my mind, and certainly not a sociopath) could be left relatively unscarred by his experience in the war. And please remember that the starting point for his post was not our "current crisis" but Ramesh Ponnuru's piece on Hiroshima.

You may find Derbyshire's view of human nature creepy, but your righteous indignation and race to the moral high ground don't go any farther to prove your view of human nature correct than Deryshire's putative "posturing."

August 15, 2005 9:33 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Here's where Derbyshire mentions "total war":

"If -- which God forbid -- we again face total war, we will massacre our enemy's civilians and erase his cities, and he will do the same to us, until one of us cries Uncle, or ceases to exist. It's fine to argue the morality of this as a theological exercise; but if you believe -- I do -- that that's how things will inevitably go, then the arguments are all just about angels on the heads of pins."

-- Where in there do you come up with a rush to characterize the *current* situation as total war?

August 15, 2005 9:37 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

And JD's reference to "tribal war" (with its object as the extermination of the other tribe) being coded deep in human nature has nothing to do with whether human beings, in modern warfare, experience post-traumatic-stress-disorder.

Derbyshire's post, in my opinion, is a varation of Dostoyevsky's line about "man can get used to anything, the scoundrel." You may think better of man. I don't. The fact that I don't doesn't make me creepy and it doesn't make you right.

August 15, 2005 9:47 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Madman, I'm not really a Derbyshire fan, but I don't think your PTSD example, which is certainly plausible, necessarily proves him wrong. It's possible that the war impulse can be a sad but typical part of human nature, but it's also possible, and not contradictory, that humans aren't psychologically or biologically suited to handle the awful consequences of that impulse. You and Derbyshire may both be right, or wrong; I think they're separate issues.

August 15, 2005 10:33 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Jeff, I think you're right. I'm not a huge Derbyshire fan, or at least I tend to disagree with him more than I agree with him, but I guess I see him as representing the conservative id (but maybe that's not fair, either, since he's obviously a bright guy). The thing is, even when I disagree with him (which I don't in this instance) I feel momentarily caught in the undertow of his relentless pessimism.

August 15, 2005 10:56 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

I haven't rushed to the moral high ground, Derbyshire charges into a moral trough. As for the current research on PTSD- it's all over the web, look it up. For example, here is a tidbit about WWII-

"One in four WW2 casualties was caused by "combat fatigue." For those in lengthy, intense fighting, the ratio was one in two. In the Pacific, where combat fatigue was most prevalent, 40% of 1943 evacuations were "mental." 26,000 psychiatric cases were reported just from Okinawa. To keep sailors from going mad anticipating kamikaze attacks, they weren't alerted to approaching planes until they absolutely had to be."
http://www.pbs.org/perilousfight
/psychology/the_mental_toll/

The incidence of PTSD among Vietnam War veterans is even higher than it was for WWII vets, and tracking veterans finds that the longer you follow a particular group of vets the higher the incidence of PTSD you find- latent trauma can express itself dozens of years after a soldier returns from war.

As for Paul Tibbets, I don't know how Derbyshire or you can be confident that he or anyone else was left "unscarred" by his experience in the war. He may have no regrets about flying the Enola Gay, but I wouldn't want to bet on whether a man who flew as many combat missions as he did wasn't haunted by some pretty terrifying memories. In any case none of Derbyshire's pontificating about hunter-gatherers (and I'll tell you something I do know about prehistoric hunter-gatherers- its some trick to make any kind of quanitative claims about a society that left no written records) helps explain any of what Paul Tibbets experienced. Modern warfare makes vast destruction possible with minimal psychological stress precisely because the modern warrior can sit at a mile-high remove from the damage s/he inflicts. All that proves about human nature is that we have a capacity for emotional alienation that is aided by technology- our capacity for savagery is at its highest when we don't have to directly experience the human consequences of our actions. That does not indicate, as Derbyshire argues, that "war is coded deep in human nature"- quite the contrary.

As for when Derbyshire mentions "total war"- look at the first line of the post. His entire discussion concerns "total war," its "deep encoding" in human nature, and its imminent return to our shores:

"I know from my email -- and so I suppose Ramesh and my other colleagues know it, too -- that the USA is full of people who believe that some really major atrocity will be committed against us at some point in the next few years, and that we will respond by shucking off all civilized restraints, as we did in the later stages of WW2, until we have dealt with the issue. Then we shall calmly re-moralize."

His conflation of the current crisis with the "later stages of WW2" asserts that what we face now is total war (a total fallacy) and that the depths of barbarity to which we will sink are predictable, inevitable, and ultimately excusable, given "that moralizing about total war is pointless."

The fact is that history does not provide evidence that "tribal war, in which the object is to exterminate the other tribe" is a normal or natural occurence. Such instances are very exceptional. Look at Thucydides- he was a soldier who lived in a society raised on Homer which had known millenia of war, and yet the brute savagery of the Pelopennesian War left him struggling to comprehend what he and his contemporaries had lived through. All of Derbyshire's bluster about "tribal war" is a bunch of macho BS, he is making claims about human nature that are directly contradicted by human history.

August 15, 2005 10:56 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

P.S. The Ponnoru piece on which Derbyshire was commenting, "Hiroshima Now," is entirely devoted to discussing the implications of historical arguments over Hiroshima for the current "war on terror," so it is no stretch to read Derbyshire's opening assertion that "moralizing about total war is pointless" as applying to both WWII and the current crisis.

August 15, 2005 11:11 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

P.S. The Ponnoru piece on which Derbyshire was commenting, "Hiroshima Now," is entirely devoted to discussing the implications of historical arguments over Hiroshima for the current "war on terror," so it is no stretch to read Derbyshire's opening assertion that "moralizing about total war is pointless" as applying to both WWII and the current crisis.

August 15, 2005 11:12 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"Madman,

Regarding Tibbets -- I said "relatively unscarred." And I know that from reading about him, though I can't know whether he's had some "haunting dreams;" in fact, I assume he has. The issue is not bad dreams, or even the evidence of PTSD, but whether, in general, a society and its war veterans are able to "re-moralize," to use Derbyshire's phrase. I don't think there's any evidence that they *aren't* able to do this, despite the significant psychic costs to some percentage of individual veterans.

"His conflation of the current crisis with the "later stages of WW2" asserts that what we face now is total war (a total fallacy) and that the depths of barbarity to which we will sink are predictable, inevitable, and ultimately excusable, given "that moralizing about total war is pointless."


-- But he *does not* conflate the current crisis with total war; he suggests that a really major atrocity committed against the U.S. will give rise to "total war", as in the later stages of WW2. And, depending upon how you define "a really major atrocity," I think he's correct that the response will be predictable, inevitable, and ultimately excusable." Call it macho B.S, if you will, but again, that doesn't make it wrong.

Your example of Thucydides and the Peloponessian War does not constitute proof of the entire tendency of human history and human nature. But let me ask you, do you consider the twentieth century to be an anomaly in human history? The Armenians, the Jews, the Muslims in the Balkans, the Ukrainians, the Tutsis, etc. might disagree with your notion that the idea of tribal war and extermination is macho B.S. posturing.

August 15, 2005 11:25 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

P.S.

I don't see a way to interpret the phrase "if -- which God forbid -- we again face total war ..." to mean that the situation we face *now* is total war. How do you make that out?

August 15, 2005 11:45 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

"The issue is not bad dreams, or even the evidence of PTSD, but whether, in general, a society and its war veterans are able to "re-moralize," to use Derbyshire's phrase. I don't think there's any evidence that they *aren't* able to do this, despite the significant psychic costs to some percentage of individual veterans."

The issue is not whether soldier's can "re-moralize," but whether they were ever acting under a different set of morals to begin with. Derbyshire writes that this "re-moralization" is as easy as donning different sets of clothing, the traumatic experiences of war veterans prove that it is not. The question you keep resisting is very simple- if "total war" were so deeply encoded in human nature why would it do so much psychological damage to those who experience it?

Thucydides is only one of thousands of examples that one could draw from human history. Cicero in ancient Rome. The author of the "Sunzi bingfa" in China. Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Remarque, and the whole "lost generation." Wherever societies experience total war for the first time (an occurence that was rare prior to the twentieth century) it finds people emotionally and psychologically unprepared.

I think at this point some clarity needs to be introduced about "total war" and what it means. Total war takes place when two societies pit all of their human and material assets and resources against one-another. Most wars in human history have been rather limited affairs- two or more potentates fielding armies against one-another using whatever treasure they could extort out of the populace under their control or groups of warriors from two or more communities setting into the field with whatever they can carry on their backs. Total war only happens when human beings organize themselves into communities that are capable of concentrating and mobilizing all of the human and economic assets of the whole, a circumstance which has been pretty rare prior to the 20th century.

So in answer to your question about the Jews, Armenians, Tutsis, etc.- 1) Genocide is different from total war- the peoples who were the victims of those atrocities had not mobilized to destroy their tormentors. 2)Not just the 20th century, but all of recorded human history is an anomaly when one discusses human nature. Events like genocide and total war are clearly not expressions of human nature, because examples of that type of behavior can not be found among communities that have not experienced the particular historical conditions that give rise tofacilitatd them. If genocide were an expression of human nature why would the U.S. have stopped at interring Japanese-Americans? Why would European nations ever relinquish their colonies? Genocide and total war are expressions of complex forces that arise from human history and human artifice, not human nature- commercialization, industrialization, colonialism, nationalism, urbanization, etc. etc. etc.

As for Derbyshire, maybe he doesn't feel that the war on terror has become a total war yet, but even suggesting that it could do so is frankly creepy. We are threatened by a small group of fanatics that do not represent any "tribe" or whole community. Even if they did commit some terrible atrocity against us that would not be "total war." Derbyshire's promiscuous use of language and history is perhaps what offends me most. Anyone who looks at history would no that not only is total war NOT intrinsic to human nature, but that the next time it happens in any large-scale symmetrical conflict will be the last. The advent of nuclear weaponry raised the price of total war to "mutually assured annihilation," a fact which kept the Cold War cold for almost 50 years. 9/11 demonstrated that in the new technological climate of the 211st century one does not have to embark upon total war to wreak terrible havoc and destruction. It would be madness and idiocy (and frankly, evil) to escalate an already tragic conflict into a world-ending one.

August 16, 2005 7:31 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"Genocide and total war are expressions of complex forces that arise from human history and human artifice, not human nature- commercialization, industrialization, colonialism, nationalism, urbanization, etc. etc. etc."

-- And human history, commercialization, nationalism, colonialism, urbanization, etc. are *not* expressions of human nature? It's a bit of hubris to think you can make your case in the comments section of this blog, isn't it? I mean, it's not as if what constitutes human nature isn't an age-old question.

Total war is a recent phenomenon, because human societies have only recently had the technology/resources to wage it. That doesn't prove that it's not an expression of some impulse of human nature. As Jeff suggested, it is possible that the impulse arises from human nature and that humans are ill-equipped biologically and psychologically to deal with it.

But you have suggested (with your Thucydides example) that the impulse to make any kind of war does not arise from human nature. Why do we still have war? If "not just the 20th century, but all of recorded human history is an anomaly when one discusses human nature," what good are *your* historical examples?

P.S. Hemingway and Fitzgerald are not great examples to address the psychological costs of the lost generation, as Fitzgerald never actually fought in the war (and didn't generally address its psychic costs in his writing) and Hemingway -- despite A Farewell to Arms -- isn't exactly an exemplar of anti-macho B.S. posturing.

August 16, 2005 9:58 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Dear Kate Marie,

Why are my assertions any more expressive of hubris than Derbyshire's? He feels he can make sweeping assertions about human nature in the space of a few paragraphs on poor reasoning and little evidence, I'm just pointing to the gaping holes in his argument. I haven't made any positive claims about the content of human nature, I'm only arguing what is evident from history, that total war is "deeply encoded" in human nature.

I don't see where you read Thucydides (or my invocation of him) as arguing that human nature contains no impulse to war whatsoever. Thucydides grew to manhood in a profoundly warlike society that celebrated martial endeavors and experienced almost constant violence. Even so, when total war hit the Hellenic world it caught everyone (not just Thucydides) by surprise and left all of Greek society reeling.

It would be folly to deny human nature's profound potential for competition, aggression, and violence. But it would be equally foolish to deny human nature's profound potential for nurturing, empathy, cooperation, and love. Taken altogether one cannot point to instances of total war and say "that's the way it's always been"- that simply is not true.

As for industrialization, commercialization, urbanization, etc. being expressions of human nature, why would that be so? They do not appear everywhere that human beings have lived or live today, and human beings can thrive very well without them. I'm not saying that we need to turn back the clock, but these phenomena are artifices that human beings created (which is different from saying that they are expressions of human nature). If it was in our power to create them it is in our power to change them if we see that they are affecting us adversely.

I wouldn't contradict Jeff's assertion that human beings are born with impulses that facilitate conflict and war, but that is a long way from saying that "total war" is deeply encoded in human nature.

August 16, 2005 10:42 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

PS- Fitgerald may not have directly experienced the war, but his prose well exemplifies the disenchantment it produced throughout American society. Mach posturing or no, Hemingway is an excellent example of the psychic torment war inflicts.

August 16, 2005 10:51 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"I'm not saying that we need to turn back the clock, but these phenomena are artifices that human beings created (which is different from saying that they are expressions of human nature). If it was in our power to create them it is in our power to change them if we see that they are affecting us adversely."

-- They are artifices created by humans, yes, but are you suggesting that artifices created by humans can not be expressions of human nature? So the impulse to create art is not an expression of human nature? And for an artifice to be an expression of human nature, it must have appeared everywhere where humans have lived? Why?

August 16, 2005 11:01 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"PS- Fitgerald may not have directly experienced the war, but his prose well exemplifies the disenchantment it produced throughout American society."

-- You're stretching, guy. The Great Gatsby, for instance, is not a disquisition on the disenchantment produced by the Great War, and in any event, I think it would be hard to argue that American society had the same experience of the Great War as Europeans did.

August 16, 2005 11:04 AM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"Nature is made better by no mean
But nature makes that mean; so over that art/
Which you say adds to Nature, is an art/
That nature makes;.....this is an art/
Which does mend nature, change it rather, but/
The art itself is nature."

August 16, 2005 11:11 AM  

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Dick Durbin's a liar

Jonathan Turley says so. [And he's a liberal]

And here's some analysis of it at Betsy's Page and Powerline. [HT: Michelle Malkin]

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If she won't pay tribute, I will

So now Cindy Sheehan is calling for Bush's impeachment and for Israel to get out of Palestine. She's also refusing to pay her 2004 taxes, saying, "you killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial."

If it wasn't obvious before that this woman had an agenda beyond grief for her son, is there any doubt now? Yes she lost her son but when she makes statements like this she's abdicated any right to deference through grief that she may have originally claimed.

Ms. Sheehan, your son died fighting monsters who would kill you on sight. He defended you, me, your remaining son, my children and all the people of this nation. The one thing I thank you for is for making his name known to me so that I may personally thank him in my prayers, as I tuck my children good night, for his bravery and sacrifice for our sake.

You are to be pitied if you really believe that he was killed by our president and the jews. And, by the way, are you really going to protest president Bush by depriving those less fortunate than yourself of your tax dollars?

I feel sorry for you. Your son is a hero and you haven't the eyes to see it.

God bless Casey Sheehan and all those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for freedom.

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Blogger stewdog said...

"You give my son back. . I pay my taxes". She's really gone the Leonard Tose route. She sounds like Ed Rooney in Ferris Bueller, "That's right, just roll the body on in here and I'll give you the pass for your grandmother's funeral".

August 15, 2005 10:13 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Rooney! Pardon my french...but you're an a**hole!

Didn't the actor get busted for child porn? Now we know why he was so fixated on Bueller.

August 15, 2005 10:18 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

That's the guy.
"I did not achieve this position in life by having some snot-nosed punk leave my cheese out in the wind."

August 15, 2005 10:47 AM  

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Saturday, August 13, 2005


The Many Splendors of Peekaboo

My 8 1/2-month-old daughter, Poopypuppy, is among the most avid players of Peekaboo I have ever encountered. Recently I inserted a universal translation fish into my ear so that I might understand her unique dialect of Poopinese and query her about her love of the sport. The following is a faithful transcript of the interview:

Madman: So, Peekaboo. What do love about it?

Poopypuppy: What don't I love about it? The rush of expectation, the thrill of discovery. I've enjoyed Peekaboo for as long as I can remember, and this is a game that has it all. I can play it for hours.

MM: I'd noticed. But what really lies at the heart of the game?

PP: It's a common misconception that Peekaboo is a game of luck. Sure, chance comes into play, but when your opponent covers his or her face odds are you're going to see it again. The hard thing to control is your expression, whether you are on the peek or the boo end of the transaction. Developing a good "Peekaboo face" takes skill and practice.

So there you go. I see potential here for spectator events and reality TV. World Series of Peekaboo. Celebrity Peekaboo (I'm sure Janeane Garafolo and Christine Lahti are available). Maybe a Peekaboo-themed romantic comedy or dramatic series (NY Peeka- Blue?). Anyone out there who wants to run with this idea, be my guest.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

NY Peeka-Blue sounds great as long as there's no more peekaboo with Dennis Franz's backside.

I can't wait to see Poopypuppy.

August 13, 2005 7:10 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

I accidently fried and ate the translation fish, but just before I did Poopypuppy told me she was eager to see you and that you should be ready to "bring it" ("it" presumably being a dishtowel, hanky, or some other textile item large enough to hide your face behind).

August 13, 2005 9:51 PM  

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Wow!

Since it came out, I have been wanting to see the movie Downfall, which is about the last days of Hitler and the fall of the Third Reich. Finally rented it last night. It was a tremendous film, which was nominated for best foreign film in 2005. Not for the little ones, but a necessary additon to the body of knowledge of any WWII buff. Brilliantly acted and produced.

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"God bless his free soul and God bless the souls of his comrades who are fighting evil"

Mohammed at Iraq the Model offers a poignant message to Cindy Sheehan.

Here's his conclusion:

We did not choose war for the sake of war itself and we didn't sacrifice a million lives for fun! We could've accepted our jailor and kept living in our chains for the rest of our lives but it's freedom ma'am.Freedom is not an American thing and it's not an Iraqi thing, it's what unites us as human beings. We refuse all kinds of restrictions and that's why we fought and still fighting everyday in spite of the swords in the hands of the cavemen who want us dead or slaves for their evil masters.

You are free to go and leave us alone but what am I going to tell your million sisters in Iraq? Should I ask them to leave Iraq too? Should I leave too? And what about the eight millions who walked through bombs to practice their freedom and vote? Should they leave this land too?Is it a cursed land that no one should live in? Why is it that we were chosen to live in all this pain, why me, why my people, why you?

But I am not leaving this land because the bad guys are not going to leave us or you to live in peace. They are the same ones who flew the planes to kill your people in New York.I ask you in the name of God or whatever you believe in; do not waste your son's blood.We here have decided to avenge humanity, you and all the women who lost their loved ones.Take a look at our enemy Cindy, look closely at the hooded man holding the sword and if you think he's right then I will back off and support your call.

We live in pain and grief everyday, every hour, every minute; all the horrors of the powers of darkness have been directed at us and I don't know exactly when am I going to feel safe again, maybe in a year, maybe two or even ten; I frankly don't know but I don't want to lose hope and faith.


We are in need for every hand that can offer some help. Please pray for us, I know that God listens to mothers' prayers and I call all the women on earth to pray with you for peace in this world.

Your son sacrificed his life for a very noble cause…No, he sacrificed himself for the most precious value in this existence; that is freedom.

His blood didn't go in vain; your son and our brethren are drawing a great example of selflessness.God bless his free soul and God bless the souls of his comrades who are fighting evil.God bless the souls of Iraqis who suffered and died for the sake of freedom.God bless all the freedom lovers on earth.

Read the whole thing.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Mohammed, there will always be a small vocal minority in this country that lives up to the term "opposition". They oppose EVERYTHING, especially if President Bush is affiliated with it.
All Cindy is doing is giving the finger to your ink stained digits. Ignore her and she will go away. After all, her commitment ends when George Bush goes back to DC at the end of his "Vacation", as the press so gleefully calls it, as if he has said "Hey, no phone calls, faxes, emails or briefings for the month".

August 14, 2005 11:46 AM  

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Just a thought on people who hold up signs and chant things

I belive it was on the Laura Ingraham radio show that I recently heard the audio clip of this chant from a group that was protesting the presence of military recruiters on their campus:

"U.S. military go away!
Racist!
Sexist!
Anti-gay!"

(repeat)

I'm just wondering how many of these same protesters are holding up signs today in support of Cindy Sheehan and chanting:

"Support our troops! Bring them home!"

I'm sure there's at least one guy who didn't get the memo who arrived at the protest chanting, "U.S. military go away!...oops my bad...Bring our troops home!"

...so we can spit on them.

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Blogger stewdog said...

POWER TO THE PEEEEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 13, 2005 9:16 AM  

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Friday, August 12, 2005


The Heck with Chief Brody

Give 'em Quint:

Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We'd just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half-hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin' by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the shark come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and sometimes that shark he go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a shark is he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'... 'til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin' and your hollerin' those sharks come in and... they rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don't know how many sharks there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin', Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist. At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol' fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest, June the 29th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Robert Shaw was great as "Quint". His performance, I believe, is what ultimately makes "Jaws" a classic film. While all the performances were great, his haunting yet whimsical performance created the mystique surrounding the shark that was necessary for the film to succeed.

Quint: Anti-shark cage... You go inside the cage? [Hooper nods] Cage goes in the water? [Hooper nods] You go in the water? [Hooper nods] Shark's in the water? [Hooper nods] Our shark? [Hooper nods]

Quint: [he sarcastically sings] Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again...

Classic.

August 13, 2005 6:59 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Agreed. Robert Shaw was a great actor who was flat out brilliant as Quint. His dark and forboding presence made him the perfect foil for Mr. Sharkey.
Ever seen Force 10 from Navaronne? One of the few WWII movies set in the Balkans. Features Shaw and a VERY young Han Solo.

August 13, 2005 9:12 AM  

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Greg Gutfeld on Cindy Sheehan and the "Chief Brody slap"

Greg Gutfeld reacts to the new "all-Cindy, all-the-time" policy at HuffPo.

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Question:

Wouldn't the mother of "Quint" be entitled to deliver a "Chief Brody Slap" to the face of the mother who slapped Brody?

I mean, if she hadn't so vehemently insisted through her actions that something should have been done about that shark then Quint would have never been sent out and hence would never have become that shark's meal.

That said, however, isn't the slapping mother really Bush in this scenario when you think about it? She demanded action. She wanted that shark killed. She believed someone should have put their life on the line to preserve the freedom and frolicking of the Amity island swimmers. Brody twiddled his thumbs like the U.N. Security Council...

This mother believed in preemptive action to thwart a potentially imminent threat.

August 13, 2005 6:43 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

So that's what we have come to. . deconstructing Jaws. I sense a college graduate seminar on this subject: "Slap Happy: Examining the roots of structural functionalism in an analysis of Cindy Sheehan v. Chief Brody."
Psychology 401. 3 credits. Doan Hall Room 703. MWF 10 am. Taught Jointly by Professors Wonderdog and Stewdog. Laptop comupter and Kibbles and Bits required."

August 13, 2005 9:16 AM  

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Cindy Sheehan's family speaks out

Via Drudge:

"The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.

Sincerely,

Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins."

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Blogger stewdog said...

"HOW DARE THEY???"

August 12, 2005 4:38 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Sick the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth on her.

August 12, 2005 8:05 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Yeah, Madman, then her new pal Viggo Mortensen (whom she specifically mentioned having met on one of her HuffPo posts) can fight them off with Anduril, Flame of the West.

August 13, 2005 11:15 AM  

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Big Boys DO Cry

I just got back from the grocery store. As I went down the pet aisle to purchase bird seed for our outdoor friends, I noticed some vey large bags of "Old Yeller" dog food, with a picture of the big golden guy on the bag. I wondered. . when the bag is empty, does it make you cry?

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

"How dare you" mock that poor dog's death!

August 12, 2005 3:54 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Brilliant Minds think alike. I did a 'How Dare You' to your post before I had read this comment.

Guys are allowed to cry at only a few prescribed situations:

1. Death of a loved one
2. Birth of a child
3. Marriage of a child
4. Champtionship for your team
5. Old Yeller.

August 12, 2005 4:40 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

What about the first scratch on the fancy sports car?

August 12, 2005 8:30 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

I'd also throw in:

- when "Rudy" finally takes the field in Notre Dame stadium.

- when Roy Hobbs says to (bat boy) Bobby Savoy, "Pick me out a winner, Bobby."

- when the reverend says of Atticus Finch in the courtroom, "Ms. Jean-Louise, stand up...Your father's passin'."

- when those two marines in "A Few Good Men" whip into salute mode for the Tom Cruise Character as he leaves the courtroom -- "Ten Hut! There's an officer on deck."

- when the Super Bowl is over and the beer is gone...

August 13, 2005 7:14 AM  

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Thursday, August 11, 2005


Ode to Kate Marie

I had the audacity, temerity and sheer gall to write a blog critical of Saint Cindy Sheehan.
I noted that some of the comments were removed, probably for reasons of profanity, but one anon comment remained. I was all set to respond, but I saw that the inimitible Kate Marie beat me to the punch. Easily reminded me of a Dylan song, made famous by the Band, Up On Cripple Creek, the chorus of which is as follows:

Up on cripple creek
she sends me
If I spring a leak
she mends me
I don’t have to speak
she defends me
A drunkard’s dream
if I ever did see one.

I will only say this to anon. You talk about "people like (me)". Well, as Kate Marie and Wonderdog can attest, there ARE NO PEOPLE LIKE ME.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

There are no people like you. You said it, brother.

And thanks for the ode. :)

By the way, the other comments were removed because they were advertising. What's up with that? We seem to be getting a lot of that lately.

August 11, 2005 9:45 PM  
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August 11, 2005 10:59 PM  
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What is with this comment spam (advertising) that we're getting all of a sudden?

August 12, 2005 12:31 AM  
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Blogger's efforts at reducing comment spam are obviously not enough.

August 12, 2005 5:08 AM  

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This Steams me II

Dear Cindy Sheehan,
I am very sorry that your son Casey was killed in Iraq. Now. . please go home and leave President Bush alone. You think that you have a right to camp out, become a media darling, and demand to see the president. This is America, so I guess that is true. But apparently some of your own family members are offended by this charade. When I was two I threatened to hold my breath until I got what I wanted. Guess what? I eventually had to take a breath and the reason of authority won out. You say that you want to talk to the president and have him tell you why we are in the war. You had one audience with him already, and some reports suggest that you were singing a different tune about it last year. I also hear that the president recently sent two top level advisers to meet with you, but that isn't enough for you.
You don't want to hear an explanation from him as to why he started the war, your comments show that you have an agenda. You want him to say that it was for oil and to enrich his buddies. You know that isn't going to happen, so you continue your charade, advancing your agenda, and playing pawn for the peace pimps.
You stain the honor or the rest of the war dead and their families who handle the inevitable deaths with dignity and grace. You say you want to know why your son died. Hell, I can answer that for you. This isn't Vietnam. There is no draft. You son VOLUNTEERED for the service and reinlisted. That's part one. Part two? He died because some scum insurgent killed him. So please. We are all sorry for your loss. It is a hole that can't be fully filled in, but please invest your grief somewhere else, somewhere where it might do some good.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't say what this type of loss and grief would do to me so I won't judge her. She may have no idea what she's doing and I pray for her and all the families going through such pain. In the big scheme of things, this camp-out/sit-in/media-fest will have no impact whatsoever on the momentum of current events. I just wish some of the most vocal, camera-seeking sign-wavers could understand - peace is not the absence of war.

- Dirtbiker for W

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

How dare you! Who are you to judge this woman's actions? The War is immoral. Just because Americans have died there does not mean that we shouldn't be criticizing the War effort. How many have to die before you will start to question the merits of the war? 5000? 10,000? What's the number? There is a limit right? The only difference between you and me is that you actually think we can transform opinions in MidEast by this War. Don't you see it hardens their resolve? Our presence makes them fight us harder. We will keep dying in greater numbers until people like you finally realize that fighting them with tanks and guns will do no good. They have nothing to lose, so they would rather die than become Westernized.

The death toll from Iraq and Afghanistan is about 700 deaths away from equaling the amount of Americans who died on 9/11. We are no safer, nor are we closer to catching bin Laden. Open your eyes! The emperor has no clothes--or brain for that matter.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

I've removed the comment spam.

Dirtbiker,

I feel for her, too, and I certainly honor her son's sacrifice. However, to the extent that -- in her grief -- she has allowed herself and her son to be cynically exploited by some people who have nothing but disdain for the American military, she has done her son and the other families who have experienced such grief a disservice.

Also I must say that she has used her son's death both to gain publicity for her cause (such as it is) *and* to shield herself from legitimate questions and criticism (which she calls "attacks"). The former tactic is legitimate, but the latter is not.

August 11, 2005 7:55 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

"How dare you! Who are you to judge this woman's actions? The War is immoral. Just because Americans have died there does not mean that we shouldn't be criticizing the War effort."

-- That's classic. Within a few lines you have suggested that Stewdog has no right to criticize this woman's actions and then you go on to defend criticism of the war effort. Let's get something straight, bub. You and Ms. Sheehan can criticize the war effort 'til the cows come home, but don't play the "how dare you" game when someone then has the temerity to criticize you and her.

"How many have to die before you will start to question the merits of the war? 5000? 10,000? What's the number? There is a limit right?"

-- That's an interesting moral calculus. A certain "limit" of casualties erodes the "merits" of the war, is that what you're suggesting? How does that work? What was the limit in WW2? Or in the Civil War? If we had reached a certain level of casualties in the Civil War, would you have then concluded that war had no merit? By your logic, I think we can safely conclude that WW2 had no merit, since the amount of people who died in that war was greater than the amount of people who had been (or would likely have been) slaughtered by the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

"We will keep dying in greater numbers until people like you finally realize that fighting them with tanks and guns will do no good. They have nothing to lose, so they would rather die than become Westernized."

-- That's what a small faction of murderous thugs would like us to believe, obviously. But who is this monolithic "they" you are talking about? The millions of people who suffered under the Taliban and Saddam Hussein? I think most of them wouldn't mind a bit more Westernization (if by Westernization you mean some form of representative government, press freedom, minority rights, and the absence of a police state). Forgive me, but your insistence that "they" will fight Westernization even if it means subjugating themselves to Al Qaeda smacks of condescension. Democracy is obviously not for those poor backward slobs, right?

"The death toll from Iraq and Afghanistan is about 700 deaths away from equaling the amount of Americans who died on 9/11."

-- Why are you only counting Americans? Your elision of the deaths of Iraqis and Afghanis seems telling to me. In any event, what on earth does this statistic mean? Should we have given up in WW2 once we reached the magic number that matched the number killed in Pearl Harbor?

If you want to trot out the tired cliche that Bush has no brain, you might want to make sure you've provided evidence that you yourself have one.

August 11, 2005 8:18 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I can't help but think that all of this media coverage is actually harming Mrs. Sheehan's cause. One grieving mother quietly and patiently camping out to talk to the president is poignant, even heartbreaking. The arrival of professional activists, the MoveOn.org crowd, and Democratic media consultants reduce it to a circus freak-show. People who are just now tuning into this story have missed it at its most raw and effective; the public is now much more likely to see Mrs. Sheehan on the news, roll their eyes and mutter something about the usual hippie crazies, and change the channel.

If I were a gambler, I'd bet that MoveOn.org makes this whole spectacle increasingly garish and scripted--and, amazingly, increasingly unsympathetic--before it's all over.

August 11, 2005 9:06 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Hey, Jeff, HOW DARE YOU have an opinion you slack jawed, knuckle dragging, Neandrathal, pajama wearing blogger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

August 11, 2005 9:16 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Dirtbiker,
I felt compelled to "judge her". The reason is that the usual suspects have glommed on to her like crazy glue and put her on a pedestal and dared "people like me" to criticize her.
I can't resist the bait. I'm all in.

August 11, 2005 9:18 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

You're right on about the circus freak-show atmosphere, Jeff. Take a look at the Huffington Post today, if you have the stomach for it. It starts with a post by Cindy Sheehan herself, and then all the usual suspects join in . . . including Tom Hayden, Arianna, Christine Lahti, and on and on.

August 11, 2005 10:05 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Oh, God. I just checked into Huffington Post again, and she's got a new post up. She specifically mentioned that she received a visit from Viggo Mortensen -- maybe she thinks that if the King of Gondor supports her cause it has to be righteous.

August 12, 2005 11:47 AM  

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More on the mascot ban

Kenneth Woodward takes on the latter-day puritans who are pushing the ridiculous mascot ban.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Great article. I sent the link to Bill Plasche of the LA Times, who wrote a horrible moralizing article about it.

August 11, 2005 3:11 PM  

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This Steams Me

I'm sure you have all caught the story that 2 of the Michael Jackson Jurors now regret their vote to acquit. Eleanor Cook was quoted as saying about the other jurors: "They can be as angry as they want to. They ought to be ashamed. They're the ones that let a pedophile go".
No lady, YOU let a pedophile go if you feel that he was guilty. And you and your fellow juror are simply cowards if you didn't stand up for yourselves and vote your convictions at the time you could. You voted to acquit something like 12 times. Don't tell us now that you were somehow coerced into it.
Funny what a book deal can do to a person.

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Blogger Kate Marie said...

Exactly, Stewdog -- and I'd say that anyone who buys their books is coming from the same "idiot pool" that the Jackson jury was taken from.

August 11, 2005 11:02 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

The flaw in the jury system in modern day america is that 'normal people' can find a way for a trial of 5 to 10 days, but the long trials that make it into the news are all decided by people who have no jobs, are retired, are state employees with big budgets for long jury duty stints, or just nut cases who really, really WANT to sit on the jury. Hence, we see the logical 3rd act playing out.

August 11, 2005 11:57 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Any of you Rumpusers ever sat on a jury? I never have and wonder what it is like. I was called once, but there was no action between Christmas and New Year's Day. Duh. I found it awful just sitting in the jury pool room one day and can't imagine what it would be like spending months there.

August 12, 2005 7:36 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

I've been called many times, but lawyers are rarely left on juries. It is a waste. I was an alternate in a criminal case once, but otherwise haven't made the cut.
It is a distasteful duty, but one that I feel must be embraced to keep our system working.

August 12, 2005 11:21 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I served on a jury here in D.C. a couple of years ago. (If you live here, you will get called eventually, and lawyers aren't automatically exempt; many are asked to serve.) It was a four-day case involving a guy who had violated the conditions of his parole by leaving a halfway house. His attorney literally had no defense, and even the elderly black juror who was reading a book about African-American jury nullification declared the guy guilty.

It's common here in D.C. for people to discuss the 'right" things to say in order to get out of jury duty: for example, lying and saying that your friendship with a recent victim of a violent crime means you can't possibly be impartial. Jury duty is pretty boring, but I'm disturbed by widespread jury-duty evasion, especially when those same people complain about outrageous jury verdicts elsewhere.

August 12, 2005 11:55 AM  

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Jagger back-peddles on "Neo-con"

Mick Jagger is already back-peddling on the soon to be released "My Sweet Neo-Con" single. It seems he's denying that it's about president Bush. Here's Jagger as quoted by the Washington Post:

"It is not really aimed at anyone. It's not aimed, personally aimed, at President Bush. It wouldn't be called 'Sweet Neo Con' if it was."

There's also this interesting statement from the same Post article:

A representative for the Stones said the group had no further comment about the song.

Hmm...Do you think they might be a little concerned about American backlash that might have a detrimental impact on their tour of the United States that's set to begin this month?

What a bunch of little weasels. Ah, but I guess everything bows to the almighty dollar huh? -- even convictions that pretend to despise the pursuit of that dollar (i.e. the "Halliburton" mantra makes its way into this song).

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Blogger stewdog said...

I say audit the bastards and check their immigration status.

August 11, 2005 10:39 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Sometimes I wonder if maybe we're seeing the beginning of the end of know-nothing celebrities being taken seriously when they spout malformed opinions. These days, they seem to crumble very quickly when confronted by very basic questions and even the slightest criticism.

August 11, 2005 4:16 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Jeff, have you seen Team America World Police yet? Disguisting, gross, over the top, obscene, should be banned. . but one of the funniest movies that I have seen, and is the last word on know it all celebrities. . they are mercilessly skewered. Michael Moore gets special treatment.

August 12, 2005 11:23 AM  

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Florida State to appeal mascot ban

Florida State is appealing the NCAA's ban of their school nickname -- "The Seminoles." Their argument is that the mascot is not "hostile and abusive", which is the criteria that must be met before the NCAA can instigate the ban. The school disagrees that the nickname meets the criteria since the Seminole Tribe of Florida openly supports the nickname and the representation of their tribe. Additionally, it would appear that the Ute tribe also supports the use of their name at the University of Utah.

Since some of these tribes are coming out against the NCAA ban, I'm wondering if perhaps they stand to lose money if the schools can no longer use their name. Is it possible that some of these tribes have made deals with the schools for use of their name? And, if so, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. If the schools are willing and the tribes can profit from it, I have no problem with that. What I would have a problem with, however, is the hypocrisy that would be involved were these tribes selling out the "victims of genocide" so cheaply. And if that's really the case, doesn't it indicate how disingenuous this whole issue really is?

Update: More on this issue and its potential legal remedies/ramifications at Volokh Cospiracy.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Interesting spin on the whole thing. I'm no fan of the NCAA. Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that the tribes ARE getting some licensing fees and that the NCAA is blacklisting those who won't share?
OK. . I'm sounding like Oliver Stone now.
The entire issue is so ridiculous.

August 11, 2005 10:03 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

It doesn't end there. It seems certain internet access services are attempting to ban the use of the name "Stewdog" here at Rumpus. They feel it's insensitive and mocking toward those cultures who actually eat dogs and hence enjoy a good bowl of dog stew.

August 11, 2005 10:18 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

The horror. Is ANYONE safe.
Let's get started on that Notre Dame logo. My mother was an O'Neil. And from now on, I'll personally sue anyone who uses the term "Paddy Wagon".

August 11, 2005 10:40 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I know you were joking, Stewdog, but did you know that just last month, a New York mayoral candidate had to apologize for using the term "paddy wagon"?

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=52074

August 11, 2005 7:01 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Oh. My. God. That's hilarious, Jeff. Thanks for the link.

One of my favorite "language and thought police" stories was the one about the city official (was it in Florida somewhere?) who was asked to resign because he used the word "niggardly."

August 11, 2005 9:57 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

That was here in D.C. around 2000! It was pathetic, but sadly typical.

August 11, 2005 9:59 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

That's right, it was D.C. -- under Anthony Williams, right?!!

Jeff, man, how do you survive in that place?

August 11, 2005 10:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Williams is still mayor, but he doesn't plan to run for a third term. I have to say, he's done a halfway-decent job of restoring many basic city services. Despite the objections of some in his party, he even help to enact a school-voucher program, and several new charter schools look promising. Unfortunately, the D.C. schools are still in very depressing shape, and Williams' successor will have his work cut out for him.

Shrill politics aside, it's really a much nicer place to live than people give it credit for--and all the stuff that goes on here ensures that I am never bored. :)

August 11, 2005 10:38 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Be truthful, Jeff. Don't you really miss Mayor-for-Life Barry? Those stories about doing "constituent work" at the strip joints. Smoking crack with his mistresses on video. Never a dull day.

August 12, 2005 7:40 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Oops. Forgot to sign that last post:

- CIV in the land of the Washington [color word deleted] 'skins.

August 12, 2005 7:42 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

And don't forget to chide anyone who says "Welsh on a bet".

August 12, 2005 4:42 PM  

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Wednesday, August 10, 2005


Harry and the black tyrants

Didn't get the chance yesterday to comment on these remarks by Harry Belafonte. Let's break it down a little.

"Hitler had a lot of Jews high up in the hierarchy of the Third Reich. Color does not necessarily denote quality, content or value."

As for the "Jews" remark, maybe Mr. Belafonte should direct his remarks to his fellow speaker at this rally, Mr. Dick Gregory. Here's what he once had to say about Jews:

"Every Jew in America over 30 years old knows another Jew that hates Negroes...and if we hate Jews, that's just even, baby".

And as for color "not necessarily" denoting quality, content or value? Is he saying that color alone sometimes does denote these characteristics? I don't think Martin Luther King Jr. would agree with that.

"[If] a black is a tyrant, he is first and foremost a tyrant, then he incidentally is black. Bush is a tyrant and if he gathers around him black tyrants, they all have to be treated as they are being treated."

There's a disheveled madman outside the Hollywood Bowl who spews things through a bullhorn who is more coherent than this. Black tyrants are tyrants first and blacks second? So why call them "black tyrants"? If they're black second then shouldn't they be "tyrannical blacks"? I'm confused.

And who are these black tyrants in the Bush Administration? That question was asked of Mr. Belafonte by the CNN reporter covering the story. Belafonte's response? "You".

When the reporter reminded him rhetorically that he was white, Belafonte abruptly ended the interview.

I guess daylight come and he wanna go home.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Racism is racism is racism and it is ugly no matter the color of the mouth from which it eminates.

August 10, 2005 12:36 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

What's happened to Harry? Alzheimer's?

August 10, 2005 1:51 PM  

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Why Men Can't Listen

It's not our fault. . REALLY !!!!

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

SD, your wife is never going to buy that excuse.

August 10, 2005 1:56 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Don't ever tell a lawyer not to try to sell a story.

August 10, 2005 2:33 PM  

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Speaking of song lyrics...

...I'm sure most of you have already heard about the Rolling Stones new song soon to be released about the Bush Administration:

"You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/ You call yourself a patriot. Well, I think you are full of sh*t!... How come you're so wrong, my sweet neo-con."

Brilliant. 70-year-olds in tight pants singing lyrics that could have been brought to you by your local 15 year old mall rat.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

WD, you're giving teens a lot of credit if you think they know (much less care) what a neo-con is.

But why are we being lectured on patriotism by someone who is not even an American?

August 10, 2005 10:49 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Bush can just laugh and sing "Under My Thumb" about their lyrics. Hey Mick. . dip those lips in a bucket and Paint It Black before our Wild Horses drag you away where you can watch As Tears Go By and we hear you whip the women just around midnight.

August 10, 2005 12:32 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

Stewdog has uh...lost it.

August 10, 2005 3:19 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

One cannot "lose" what one never possesed.

August 11, 2005 10:04 AM  

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Tuesday, August 09, 2005


Duelling Song Lyrics

In response to Stewdog's recent "toast and Jethro Tull" post, I offer what I consider to be the greatest song lyrics ever written (and it has nothing to do with toast, but broccoli plays a small role):

[Reno]
At words poetic, I'm so pathetic
That I always have found it best,
Instead of getting 'em off my chest,
To let 'em rest unexpressed,
I hate parading my serenading
As I'll probably miss a bar,
But if this ditty is not so pretty
At least it'll tell you
How great you are.

You're the top!
You're the Colosseum.
You're the top!
You're the Louvre Museum.
You're a melody from a symphony by Strauss
You're a Bendel bonnet,
A Shakespeare sonnet,
You're Mickey Mouse.

You're the Nile,
You're the Tower of Pisa,
You're the smile on the Mona Lisa
I'm a worthless check, a total wreck, a flop,
But if, baby, I'm the bottom you're the top!

[BILLY]
Your words poetic are not pathetic.
On the other hand, babe, you shine,
And I can feel after every line
A thrill divine Down my spine.
ow gifted humans like Vincent Youmans
Might think that your song is bad,
But I got a notion I'll second the motion
And this is what I'm going to add;

You're the top! You're Mahatma Gandhi.
You're the top! You're Napoleon Brandy.
You're the purple light Of a summer night in Spain,
You're the National Gallery
You're Garbo's salary,
You're cellophane.

You're sublime,
You're a turkey dinner,
You're the time of a Derby winner
I'm a toy balloon that is fated soon to pop
But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

[RENO]
You're the top!
You're an arrow collar
You're the top!
You're a Coolidge dollar,
You're the nimble tread
Of the feet of Fred Astaire,
You're an O'Neill drama,

[BILLY]
You're Whistler's mama,

[RENO]
You're camembert.

[BILLY]
You're a rose,
You're Inferno's Dante,

[RENO]
You're the nose
On the great Durante.
I'm just in a way, As the French would say, "de trop".
But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

[BILLY]
You're the top!
You're a dance in Bali.
You're the top!
You're a hot tamale.
You're an angel, you, Simply too, too, too diveen,
You're a Boticcelli,

[RENO]
You're Keats,

[BILLY]
You're Shelly,

[RENO]
You're Ovaltine.

[BILLY]
You're a boom,
You're the dam at Boulder,
You're the moon,
Over Mae West's shoulder,
I'm the nominee of the G.O.P.

[RENO]
Or GOP!

[BILLY]
But if, baby, I'm the bottom, You're the top!

[RENO]
You're the top!
You're a Waldorf salad.
You're the top!
You're a Berlin ballad.
You're the boats that glide
On the sleepy Zuider Zee,
You're an old Dutch master,

[BILLY]
You're Lady Astor,

[RENO]
You're broccoli.

[BILLY]
You're romance,
You're the steppes of Russia,
You're the pants on a Roxy usher,
I'm a broken doll, a fol-de-rol, a flop,

[BOTH]
But if, baby, I'm the bottom, You're the top!

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Blogger stewdog said...

And since "Anything Goes", I suppose that Rosie will be signing both parts as soon as Fidler closes.

August 09, 2005 3:28 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

CIV has way too many song lyrics and jingles stuck in the brain, but can't help loving them. I think this is my current favorite -- at least for today. Just please don't let Rosie sing Combat Rock.

August 10, 2005 5:18 AM  

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Lyric of the Day

I read that post cited by KM. All that talk of toast reminded me of a Jethro Tull Song from Aqualung:

Wond'ring Aloud
Wond'ring aloud --how we feel today.
Last night sipped the sunset --
my hands in her hair.
We are our own saviours
as we start both our hearts beating life
into each other.
Wond'ring aloud --
will the years treat us well.
As she floats in the kitchen,
I'm tasting the smell
of toast as the butter runs.
Then she comes, spilling crumbs on the bed
and I shake my head.
And it's only the giving
that makes you what you are.

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Blogger Jeff said...

Always liked that song. Even though Anderson is best known for his quasi-medieval rhapsodies, he's actually much better at writing those great little tunes about domestic contentment with the wife by the fireplace, etc. I may just have to go pull out that CD now...

August 10, 2005 12:15 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Tull would always surprise with a nice quiet song with that signature acoustic guitar tucked in between their louder stuff. Case in point from Living In The Past is Nursie:
"Tip-toes in silence `round my bed
And quiets the raindrops overhead.
With her everlasting smile
She stills my fever for a while.
Oh, nursie dear,
I’m glad you’re here
To brush away my pain."

August 10, 2005 12:44 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

After you get past the first two loud songs, "Minstrel in the Gallery" has several pieces like that, too, with very candid lyrics. When I was in London in January, I grabbed a beer at a pub on Baker Street and walked back to the Underground humming "Baker Street Muse"...

August 10, 2005 1:25 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

I saw Jethro Tull in concert in St. Louis circa 1973 after Passion Play came out. Ian Anderson was the consumate showman. I've never seen anyone with so much energy.
Under the radar in the rock world was their lead guitarist Martin Barre, whom I would stack right up there with the best.

August 10, 2005 2:35 PM  

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What a guy ...

Gypsy Scholar toasts his wife and waxes philological at the same time. A rare and wondrous feat.

(Hat tip: Jeff at Quid Nomen Illius)

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Professor "A"-Cole

Juan Cole is an insufferable braying ass, who routinely implies that his great knowledge of Middle Eastern culture renders his positions sacrosanct and who habitually implies that his challengers' relative "ignorance" of the Middle East is -- in and of itself -- reason to dismiss their arguments. Now he's picking on a dead guy, one whose "ignorance," according to Cole, got him killed.

(Via Michael Totten, guest-blogging at Instapundit)

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Oy Vey!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rosie O'Donnell will be joining Harvey Fierstein as Mr. and Mrs. Fiddler on the Roof on Broadway. If it . . . .

keeps her from
blogging 4 us

It will be welcome news.
There is no truth to the rumor that the daughters will be played by Ellen, Barry Manilow, and the cast of Queer Eye For The Straight Guy.

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Monday, August 08, 2005


One Toke Over the Line

Might the venerable New York Times have crossed the line by investigating whether their were any "irregularities" in the adoptions of the children of Judge Roberts? Is there nothing sacred to these people?

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

That really frosts me. So what if they find some technical irregularity in an internation adoption from a third world country? Some nut could bribe a woman to claim her kids were stolen. Don't they realize how that could tear the family apart? Do they not care about what could happen to the kids? Geez.

August 09, 2005 8:33 AM  

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Controversial?

The Los Angeles Daily Journal is a local legal newspaper. Their lead article today discusses how the Reagan Library will be the site of a review of documents written by or concerning the newest Supreme Court nominee.
It describes Judge Roberts' nomination as "controversial". Huh? Maybe Bork was controversial, but just because a bunch of left wing political action groups predictably go knee jerk negative on him, does that merit such a description? I don't think so.

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Sunday, August 07, 2005


Failing to learn the lessons of the "Auden generation"?

Nick Cohen recounts his excommunication from "the left" and decries some of the failings of the contemporary progressive movement:

Auden noticed a retreat from universal principles in the 1930s - communism was fine in 'semi-barbaric' Russia but would have been a screaming outrage in a civilised country. He should have been alive today. With no socialism to provide international solidarity, good motives of tolerance and respect for other cultures have had the unintended consequence of leading a large part of post-modern liberal opinion into the position of 19th-century imperialists. It is presumptuous and oppressive to suggest that other cultures want the liberties we take for granted, their argument runs. So it may be, but believe that and the upshot is that democracy, feminism and human rights become good for whites but not for browns and brown-skinned people who contradict you are the tools of the neo-conservatives.

On the other hand when confronted with a movement of contemporary imperialism - Islamism wants an empire from the Philippines to Gibraltar - and which is tyrannical, homophobic, misogynist, racist and homicidal to boot, they feel it is valid because it is against Western culture. It expresses its feelings in a regrettably brutal manner perhaps, but that can't hide its authenticity.

The result of this inversion of principles has been that liberals can't form alliances with the victims of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan or Iraq any more than the Auden generation could form alliances with the victims of Stalinism.

(Via Real Clear Politics)

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Everyone's favorite revolutionary ...

blogging from beyond the grave.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Gee, I like this t-shirt better.

August 07, 2005 12:37 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

But maybe Huffy's people prefer this one.

August 07, 2005 12:38 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

Ah, I like the first T-shirt, too, C.I.V. I actually own it. I have worn it around the People's Republic of Santa Monica -- a truly subversive act, believe me.

August 07, 2005 2:10 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Che forgot to thank Eric Burton, formerly of the Animals. I saw him on a PBS special which brought back different musical acts from the 60's and 70's, making you wish that they had all gone the way of Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison, so you could remember them young, talented and in key.
Burton is HUGE, and had a big green tie dyed Che shirt. I hope Che's family, or at least the Party, is saavy enough to be getting some royalties off of his image.

August 08, 2005 10:17 AM  

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Saturday, August 06, 2005


Checking in . . .

I just spent three days with the girls at the crappiest, ... er, um, I mean, "happiest place on earth." And if I never see the place again, it'll be soon enough.

I'm easing my way back into normal life now, but I wanted to say be sure to check out Rose Nunez's post about "Jihad" George Galloway and the paradoxes of our open society.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Each of the Stewpuppies got to see their Dad at Dizzyland one time. . . ONE obligatory time.
If I go to hell, the Devil knows to send me to amusement parks for eternity.
PS. . never go on Small World if you are hung over.

August 06, 2005 4:55 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

I can see it now...Stewdog has just slipped the surly bonds of earth to begin his trip to paradise...

Ah, are those angels voices he hears? Hmmm...They sound a bit young. Cherubs perhaps?

"It's a world of laughter a world of tears. It's a world of hope and a world of fears..."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

August 07, 2005 1:08 AM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Bah, humbug. I enjoyed Disneyland. (That's the CA one, right?) I don't care much for Disney characters, having been more of a Warner Bros. fan (Bugs, Daffy, et al), but Disneyland is a great place to visit. Maybe you need to live on the no-fun mid-Atlantic coast to appreciate it.

August 08, 2005 10:57 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

CIV. I agree. . Everyone should go there. . ONCE.

August 08, 2005 1:57 PM  

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Friday, August 05, 2005


Political Correctness

I see that the NCAAHoles have spoken on Indian (er. . excuse me.. . Native American) Mascots. Seems you can still name your team certain things, but if you are in postseason, certain names have to be covered up. 'Seminoles' is "hostile and abusive" but 'Warriors' is not.
The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events.
They also encourage schools not to schedule games with the offending institutions.
I'm so glad that they are focused like lazer beams on such important issues of the day.

UPDATE: True to form the LA Times Bill Plaschke wrote a front page Sunday Sports editorial about what a wonderful decision it was. As an added bonus, when I went on the LA Times website to find this article, they had 3 obnoxious pop up ads, including one for the ACLU featuring naked people.

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Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Rumpus, I think the post by "lila" is comment spam. I've seen a similar anonymous banal comment that ends with a different name and a link to this same site. A cheesy way to advertise.

August 06, 2005 10:45 AM  
Blogger stewdog said...

Impossible.
She likes me. . .she REALLY likes me.

August 06, 2005 1:46 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

I guess I've never understood this at all. I could see Native Americans having a point if these schools were naming their restrooms after them but the team mascot? That's something the school takes pride in and the alumni cheers for by the thousands.

I'm part Irish and I've never once been insulted by Notre Dame or it's little Leprechaun.

August 07, 2005 12:52 AM  

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Noxious Novak

So, Robert Novak got in trouble because he said Bu**s**t on CNN and had to apologize (I wonder if Kevin Kline held him by his ankles outside of a multistory building saying "Apologize!"?????).
Well, I've seen nothing but Bu**s**t on CNN for many years, so frankly the word doesn't bother me one bit.

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It's Friday...

...and that means it's time for Homer Simpson's rendition of "Very Good Year".

When I was seventeen
I drank some very good beer.
I drank some very good beer
I purchased with a fake ID.
My name was Brian McGee.
I stayed up listening to Queen.
When I was seventeen.

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Economy rolling along

Do you think if John Kerry were president, that this news would be getting more coverage? Nah.

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Thursday, August 04, 2005


Get them while they're young

"Laura and Kyle live with their two moms, Joyce and Emily, and a poodle named Daisy. It takes all four of them to give Daisy her bath."

Another illustrated page says:

"Robin's family is made up of her dad, Clifford, her dad's partner, Henry, and Robin's cat, Sassy. Clifford and Henry take turns making dinner for their family."

These are excerpts from a kindergarten book given to 5 year olds in the Lexington, Mass. school district.

No, I'm not a homophobe. I know and have known many gay people whom I respect and like. But any parent who claims that they would not be disturbed by this book should their child bring it home from school is either lying (and perhaps insecure about their own homophobia) or is only a parent in the technical sense (i.e. they have a kid that they occasionally give their time to, much like the salesperson at the clothing store -- "May I help you? -- Let me know if you need anything").

In the spirit of liberalism, I give you this mantra -- Stay out of my child's libido! Please tell me just what else do Clifford and Henry take turns doing? And just how far are we away from that?

Here was the brilliant defense of the contents of this book by a "backer" of the Lexington School District:

"A 5-year-old who is coming to the classroom with two moms deserves to be in a classroom that includes books that show his family."

I see. And what about the child coming to the classroom with a Grand Wizard for a father and a breeder for the Klan as a mother? Shouldn't they be represented too? And if not, where do we draw the line on representations of "diversity"?

What if the kid just happened to be raised by wolves?

"Billy's mom and dad Alfa and Beta take turns mauling the bunny and shaking it until its neck breaks."

And, by the way, just how many kids are coming to the classroom accompanied by two moms? Maybe one kid in the entire school district if even that? Is that sufficient enough for representation in the book? What about the kid accompanied to school by mom and dad who are Episcopalian priests and preach the word of Jesus? Doesn't that kid deserve to have his mom and dad represented by illustrating them in the book wearing priestly garb?

Or better yet, suppose the second coming of Jesus just happens to attend school as a kid in the Lexington school district. Hmmm. Would he be entitled to have his father depicted in the book?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Parenting issues are always very sensitive. Every parent wants the best for their child. Frequently however, as with almost everything in life, there are disagreements about what exactly is the best.

Without immediately jumping to the defense of this book, I think it is important to get the facts straight (no pun intended). The book, "Who's in a Family?" is part of a "Diversity Pack" given to children in the school district to take home and be shared with their parents. The Diversity Pack contains optional reading material, none of the reading material is required reading. In this case then, if a parent objects to the book for whatever reason, the parent can simply choose not to have their child read it.

Fair minds can disagree over what may be appropriate for children at a certain age. If one parent wants their child to read "Who's in a Family?" and another parent doesn't, I would hesitate to call either one a bad parent. I wouldn't think that someone is lying and I certainly wouldn't think that someone is insecure if they have a different parenting philosophy. They may think it is important to expose their child through a story book to a diversity of family situations. Maybe this is the way they intend to explain why the child's aunt lives with a girlfriend, or whatever.

The slippery slope argument (a Grand Wizard for a father) is a bit silly. The comparison of gay couples to couples in the KKK, or to wolves, is hardly fair. As it is, the book shows families from all walks of life: interacial families, single-parent families, divorced couples, etc. The intent of the book is to illustrate to children that "families" are different things to different people. The book does not intend to promote one lifestyle or another.

All that said, I don't want my kindergardner reading it either. Too young.

August 04, 2005 1:57 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

The thing about diversity is, it no longer includes what most of us remember as normal. I've sat through middle school "family life" videos where no mother or father is included. The kids go to relatives or siblings for advice. Why? Some kid might not have a mom or a dad. The only one of several videos that had actual parents depicted were a hispanic family. The rest of us just have guardians, I guess.

August 04, 2005 2:59 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

SHC,

First of all, I don't agree with your initial premise that "every parent wants the best for their child." If that were true there would be no crack babies. I suppose I'm a bit more cynical than you are about the manner in which a lot of our children are raised. In short, I believe many parents don't give their children the love and attention they require. Since there are bad parents out there, a lack of concern on the part of a parent regarding this book and this subject matter would indicate to me that such a parent might fall under that classification. I've seen too many children suffer from bad parenting and I'm less "hesitant" than you are to point it out.

And why do you think a parent wouldn't lie about their response to this book? Society's retribution upon one who even remotely voices dissent in this area of discussion is far greater than upon one who would hazzard a departure from its prevailing multi-culturalist tenets, even if it is in the best interest of their child. Therefore, there is great motivation to lie here. And, yes, I believe a lie as to their true concerns would hint at an insecurity in their feelings toward this subject matter. If you're secure that your concerns are merely for the welfare of your child and not based on any prejudices toward gays, then why lie? I never said a lie here necessarily meant they were insecure, only that "perhaps" they were.

As for the "slippery slope" argument, I certainly wasn't equating gay parents to the KKK or to wolves. If that were the case, you'd also have to say I was equating them to Episcopalians and Jesus. I was merely using these examples as a device to illustrate the difficulty of determining where one should draw the line on "diversity". No, I don't think gay parents are evil people who lynch heterosexuals and mutilate bunnies.

Just wanted to clear up a few quibbles I had with your comments. But since you ultimately agree that this subject matter is inappropriate for a child of this age, I guess we're not very far apart on this issue.

Thanks for stopping by Rumpus and making your voice heard.

August 05, 2005 9:47 AM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

SHC,

Forgive my inarticulateness in my last comment. I just re-read it and realized that society's "retribution" would be the same for each example I gave. (The one week old child in the house has deprived me of sleep and I should not be operating a keyboard in my condition...)

What I meant to say was that society would be harder on one who would depart from its multiculturalist tenets than one who adhered to them.

August 05, 2005 12:37 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

I'm just excited that Wonderdog respects and likes me. He REALLY likes me.

August 05, 2005 1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonderdog:

There is more than one issue here.

Do all parents want the best for their child? I don't know. I suspect it could be argued that part of our collective biological inheritence is an instinct to protect and provide for our children. Even people who succumb to drug addiction, I think, want their children to succeed. They are sometimes just too far gone to do what is right. It's really very complicated.

But this isn't the point of the original post. Or is it? If your problem with the "Who's in a Family?" book is because you don't think certain parents are responsible enough to handle it, you may have a point.

I am not so quick to judge what is appropriate for everyone. I do not agree that a lack of concern over a particular book with a stated purpose to celebrate diversity shows "bad parenting." Everyone who does not object to the book is a bad parent? That is a bold statement. I have no problem identifying bad parents when I see them; and I do. I am simply unwilling to say that everyone who does not object to a certain book must be a bad parent. Maybe it means I am hesitant, or maybe it means I am careful before casting judgement.

I don't think that your original statement equates gay parents to KKK members. I do think that the comparison about who should be represented in a book about diversity is unfair when on the one hand is a gay parent and on the other hand is a pack of wolves. I didn't mention in my earlier reply the couple who might be ministers because frankly, I don't have a problem with that. If the book shows couples who are priests, doctors, or whatever I think that's fine.

August 05, 2005 2:08 PM  
Blogger stewdog said...

How about the schools just stop shoving diversity down our throats and let the parents deal with the issue of gay and lesbian parents on their own terms and in their own time?

August 05, 2005 2:12 PM  
Blogger Conservative in Virginia said...

Bravo, Stewdog. Well said. Children mature at different rates and families have differing values. Schools should stay out of these areas and teach the kids to read, write, and calculate. Once they have these basic tools, the kids can learn the rest themselves. The human race has managed to survive for eons (or 10,000 years for some) without multicultural diversity books.

August 05, 2005 2:22 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

SHC,

The point of my post is articulated better and more succinctly by Stewdog and CIV. I tend to meander a bit and fall prey to my sarcastic tendencies.

The bottom line is that public schools should not engage in indoctrinating our children with their social agenda -- that includes gay partners and Jesus alike. As for the "bad parenting" issue that we seem to have gotten hung up on, it is part of the point as well since parents who are not concerned with these types of tactics (i.e. "Who's in a family" books)unwittingly enable the indoctrination to succeed.

August 07, 2005 12:27 AM  

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Wednesday, August 03, 2005


Revenge of the smelly boy

This is pretty hilarious. [Via Vodkapundit]

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Race hustlers and the only color they care about -- green

Air America is stealing from underprivileged minority children and Michelle Malkin wonders where Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are. (Hint: Show me the money!)

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Thoughts and prayers

Let's keep the brave men and women fighting to preserve our freedoms and their families in our thoughts and prayers.

Executive Mansion, Washington, Nov. 21, 1864

Dear Madam,

I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle.

I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save.

I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom. Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

Abraham Lincoln

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"Cue the sun"

First things first. I don't like Ed Harris. However, I don't think he's that bad of an actor. I particularly liked his portrayal of John Glenn in "The Right Stuff". That said, I managed to catch about a half hour of "The Truman Show" tonight and his portrayal of that guy who wears the beret and directs the show from some celestial orb has to rank as one of the most pretentious bits of acting in movie history. What's scary is I think he may have been nominated for an Oscar for this performance.

I hadn't seen this movie since it was out in theaters and I'd forgotten what an unintentially comedic performance that was. It's the kind of character that's so ripe for someone to exasperatingly say to him, "Oh, cut the crap", to which all within ear-shot of that comment would immediately laugh uncontrollably in an emporer's new clothes kind of realization.

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Blogger stewdog said...

Truman Show was overrated. Worth watching, but very forgettable.
However, I DO like Ed Harris and liked him in The Right Stuff (one of my all time favorite movies), Enemy at the Gates, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind, The Rock, and The Firm.
A lot of great actors got their start in Right Stuff, including Dennis Quaid, and Scott Glen, who was great in R.S. And whom I loved as the Captain of the U.S.S. Dallas in Hunt for Red October.

August 03, 2005 2:09 PM  
Blogger Wonderdog said...

I beg to differ on Dennis Quaid. I believe he got his first start in "Breaking Away" -- a great performance and a great movie.

Yeah, "The Right Stuff" is an outstanding film. How it didn't win the Oscar is beyond me.

August 03, 2005 2:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason The Right Stuff didn't win "the" Oscar in 1983 is probably because it was up against Terms Of Endearment. A sappy, but great, American movie. TRS did however win four Oscars.

At least Jack Nicholson, in Terms of Endearment, played an astronaut.

August 04, 2005 1:13 PM  

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The dregs of the night . . .

and I've just begun reading Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind. In his 1986 Foreword, Kirk reminds us that " . . . the noun 'conservative' signifies guardian or defender, the conservator." And rather plaintively -- and even, perhaps, rather prematurely and pessimistically, for a world that was poised on the brink of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union-- Kirk asks, "When the Kingdom of Man is harvested and found to be a yield of tares, fit only for burning -- why, will nothing of our civilization be spared?"

I call Kirk's cry of the heart pessimistic, but at this hour of the night, without the voices of my children as a counter-balance to the gloom, and sans the recording of Dido's Lament with which my husband has lately been punctuating our precious few moments of leisure, with only a Whartonian sense of having built our nest on the edge of a precipice, I am wholly attuned to Kirk's warning. I think of all the things we denizens of the Kingdom of Man seem to have decided we could do without: decency, civility, honor, modesty, shame, formality, custom, even history. I hear the "melancholy, long, withdrawing roar" of many of those quaint notions in our modern age, and I myself have all too eagerly chucked some of those ideas into the retreating tide.

We keep throwing things overboard. How soon before we regret their loss, before we decide they were things we really needed after all?

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Blogger Wonderdog said...

Kate,

Let the world go to hell. We'll do it right, however.

August 03, 2005 8:06 AM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Kate Marie,

Don't despair. Your lament brought to mind the words of Gary Johnston, puppet protagonist of "Team America":

"I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us &^%$ this *&%$#&#, we're going to have our +@!#$ and *^%$#@!+ all covered in &^*#!"

I don't think you could find words more redolent with "decency, civility, honor, modesty, shame, formality, custom, even history" in an earlier era.

August 03, 2005 2:16 PM  

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Tuesday, August 02, 2005


A travesty of a mockery of a "sham of anti-racism?"

Mulling over the recent brouhaha in the left half of the blogosphere over Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel, Steve Burton of Right Reason wonders if it's ever possible to be PC enough.

(Hat tip: 2 Blowhards)

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Blogger Madman of Chu said...

I read Diamond's book and enjoyed it, he gets points for creative synthetic thinking. It's an admirably quirky book that can weave the domestication of the almond tree and the strategy of Francisco Pizarro into a coherent narrative. I remember thinking that the racist historiography against which he was railing was a pretty flimsy straw man, the people who still take that stuff seriously are camped out on the lunatic fringe.

There are some very big holes in Diamond's thesis, but I think these are failings of logic and research rather than morality. He can never really adequately explain why both China and Europe, despite sharing the same geographically blessed land mass, end up (supposedly) on different sides of the dominator-dominated divide.

Call me irredeemably PC, but I think that the whole premise of "Western hegemony" is flawed to begin with. The effervescence of "Western" power has been a pretty diverse affair, with societies like Italy, Spain, Portugal, Britain all having their moment in the sun before giving way to stronger states and economies. The US is riding high right now, but its star seems to be on the eclipse while Asia is set to reclaim the position of superiority it held for most of recorded history.

August 02, 2005 9:30 PM  
Blogger Kate Marie said...

I haven't the book, but as I said on Rose Nunez's blog, the surest way to pique my interest in a book is to suggest that its argument is some species of thoughtcrime, which is essentially what Ozma and the others of the more-P.C.-than-thou crowd seem to have done.

As for your thesis about "Western hegemony," I guess it all depends upon definitions and designations -- what counts as "Western"? I don't necessarily buy your premise that the U.S.'s star is in eclipse, but if Asia does reclaim its position of superiority, can it be argued that it has done so by adapting certain products/practices of Western culture?

You might be interested in one of Victor Davis Hanson's books -- I think it's Carnage and Culture, but I'll check -- in which he argues that the superiority of the "Western way of war" (and thus Western dominance) emerges from some aspects of Western culture that are unique and uniquely suited to the creation of lethal, highly disciplined citizen-soldiers.

August 02, 2005 10:33 PM  
Blogger Madman of Chu said...

Every society builds on the materials it adapts from abroad. Yes, countries like China and Japan are adapting some technologies and forms that originated in "the West," but nations like Britain and the US would not have gotten very far unless they had adapted technologies and forms invented in Asia.

Concentrations of wealth and power move about the globe in complex patterns and for diverse reasons. Persia was hegemonic until the rise of Athens, Athens was hegemonic until the rise of Macedon, Macedon was hegemonic prior to the rise of Rome, and Rome exerted hegemony until the rise of the Vandals and Attila. The emergence of market capitalism and industrialization in Britain, France, and America under very particular historical conditions made a brief era of colonialism and imperialism possible, but now that those djinnis are out of the bottle the global field is readjusting itself again.

August 03, 2005 10:23 AM  

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Heh

Catherine Seipp offers this anecdote as a conclusion to her piece on "screamers" in Hollywood:

Many years ago, I read a story about how Roger Moore (a nonscreamer) took a younger actor aside and suggested he stop attacking everyone on the set. “I'm not in this business to win a popularity contest,” the screamer fumed. “I just want to be a good actor.”

“Well, you've failed at being a good actor,” Moore replied reasonably. “Why not try for the popularity contest?”

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Another tribute to a hero

One of our Rumpus correspondents, Queen of the East, sent along this nice tribute to Marine Corps Captain Brian Chontosh, recent recipient of the Navy Cross.

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"What is the marginal product of war?"

Tyler Cowen at Marginal Revolution critiques some anti-war positions.

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Hitchens doesn't like Catholics ...

I've known this about Hitchens since at least the time of Mother Teresa's funeral, and I certainly don't like the Catholic-bashing, especially when it's so stupid, but I can't help liking Hitchens. I feel about Hitchens the way Patton -- the George C. Scott version -- feels in surveying the aftermath of a brutal and bloody battle: "Look at this. I love it. God help me, I do love it so!"

Anyway, Ross Douthat at The American Scene gives Christopher Hitchens a well-deserved fisking.

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"Why do they despise us?"

The inimitable Mark Steyn on terrorism in London:

Yet the bombers are, so to speak, able to hide in plain sight - pests in a street full of pests, in a Britain where clerics freely incite violence; and where the Guardian hires a trainee reporter knowing he's a member of a radical Islamist group banned in other European countries; and where the BBC cannot bring itself to drop its preferred euphemism of "militants", even as suicide bombers advance from the Zionist Entity to the corporation's own Tube station at Shepherd's Bush. "Why do they hate us?" was never the right question. "Why do they despise us?" is a better one.